Guest guest Posted July 16, 2002 Report Share Posted July 16, 2002 My hat is off to you Z'ev for taking the time to mentor recent graduates. I have several months left at my school and have only found one instructor/ supervisor who was willing to let me observe his practice. I asked six and was turned down(politely) each time. There is no mentoring program at my school and very little job placement programs available. Since I have a business background, I am not too concerned about the technicalities of opening a business. But sitting in my practice management class the other week, I listened to fellow students articulate their goals after graduation. Wow, will they be in for a shock. The majority of them believe they will be making over 200k the first year out! Several actually think they can do this working 3-4 days per week. It would be a wonderful step for our profession to set up a mentoring program. I certainly plan on helping out students when I get established. Howard Portman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2002 Report Share Posted July 16, 2002 hp wrote: > It would be a wonderful step for our profession > to set up a mentoring program. I certainly plan on helping out students when > I get established. Hey Howard. You know, when I first got out of school, I rented a room in a " holistic center " and shared that room with a few other practitioners who were also just starting out. We paid a low monthly rent plus 20% of our gross receipts. I've often thought about some sort of business based on this, but made up of young acupuncturists who need a mentor. I don't personally have enough experience under my belt to be called " mentor " but I've often looked at this holistic center made up of beginning acupuncturists as a potential money maker for an established practitioner who likes to teach. This is something that I may do in the future. The key point here is simply making a mentor program something that is economically viable and it could really take off. -- Al Stone L.Ac. <AlStone http://www.BeyondWellBeing.com Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2002 Report Share Posted July 16, 2002 Miki Shima once told me that one of the California associations had such an official mentoring program. Do you know anything about it? When I was on the Board of Directors of CAAOM (now CSOMA) we talked about this and that it was a function of the local chapters. My understanding was that this had occurred in the past but by the time I was there, the local chapter meetings were defunct. Basically, people were to bring cases to the meetings where they could be discussed. A great idea, but hard to get moving with everyone's busy schedules. Colleen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2002 Report Share Posted July 17, 2002 Thank you, Howard. Actually, it is not that difficult and I also benefit from the experience, sharing cases, showing diagnostic and treatment tips, and getting some qi support. My assistants help pick me up when my qi is down. As I said in another post, this is an idea whose time has come. On Tuesday, July 16, 2002, at 01:43 PM, hp wrote: > > My hat is off to you Z'ev for taking the time to mentor recent > graduates. I > have several months left at my school and have only found one > instructor/ > supervisor who was willing to let me observe his practice. I asked six > and > was turned down(politely) each time. There is no mentoring program at my > school and very little job placement programs available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2002 Report Share Posted July 17, 2002 There is no mentoring program at my school and very little job placement programs available. Howard, Has anyone complained about this? If so, what was the administration's response? Bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2002 Report Share Posted July 18, 2002 I have been apprenticing with Ze'v for about 5 years now, I believe that it has been a key element in my development as a practitioner. I am now in private practice and the time I spend with Ze'v weekly enhances my practice skills and helps me greatly. After graduation we are largely thrown into the water and expected to swim. It is good to have a coach, a teacher, someone experienced that has the ability to help navigate the water... Eti --- <zrosenbe wrote: > Thank you, Howard. Actually, it is not that > difficult and I also > benefit from the experience, sharing cases, showing > diagnostic and > treatment tips, and getting some qi support. My > assistants help pick me > up when my qi is down. > > As I said in another post, this is an idea whose > time has come. > > > On Tuesday, July 16, 2002, at 01:43 PM, hp wrote: > > > > > My hat is off to you Z'ev for taking the time to > mentor recent > > graduates. I > > have several months left at my school and have > only found one > > instructor/ > > supervisor who was willing to let me observe his > practice. I asked six > > and > > was turned down(politely) each time. There is no > mentoring program at my > > school and very little job placement programs > available. > ===== AcuClinic: Acupuncture and Herbs Eti Domb, L.Ac. 1281 University Ave, Suite E San Diego, CA 92103 619.543.9280 Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2002 Report Share Posted July 18, 2002 Howard, I had no business background before graduating and boy did I learn fast. I went to seminars, listened to tapes and mainly- I talked to everyone that I could and learned from their experience. Ze'v was a big help and source of encouragement, I am more than willing to speak to anyone who would like to benefit from my experience. Feel free to email me offlist and we can set up a phone interview. Eti --- hp <hnp wrote: > My hat is off to you Z'ev for taking the time to > mentor recent graduates. I > have several months left at my school and have only > found one instructor/ > supervisor who was willing to let me observe his > practice. I asked six and > was turned down(politely) each time. There is no > mentoring program at my > school and very little job placement programs > available. Since I have a > business background, I am not too concerned about > the technicalities of > opening a business. But sitting in my practice > management class the other > week, I listened to fellow students articulate their > goals after graduation. > Wow, will they be in for a shock. The majority of > them believe they will be > making over 200k the first year out! Several > actually think they can do this > working 3-4 days per week. It would be a wonderful > step for our profession > to set up a mentoring program. I certainly plan on > helping out students when > I get established. > Howard Portman > > > ===== AcuClinic: Acupuncture and Herbs Eti Domb, L.Ac. 1281 University Ave, Suite E San Diego, CA 92103 619.543.9280 Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2002 Report Share Posted July 19, 2002 , coastacu@a... wrote: First, the thing about cat pulses. Where and > how does one take a cat's pulse? They have these long skinny forepaws, > difficult to find a pulse. to be honest, I was a little too stressed out at the time to pay much attention,but I believe it was the femoral pulse that was palpated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2003 Report Share Posted September 10, 2003 Doc; This is a great idea, and in fact the AAOM is developing a mentoring process where older, more experienced practitioners will help new people get their clinical and business acumen better tuned so they can have more viable start up practices. We feel that this is an immportant step in the education of the student. Perhaps a residency program will be developed someday as a more formal program, but for now I guess the professional organization has to coordinate it, outside of the volunteer individuals such as yourself. David Molony, Vice President American Association of Oriental Medicine 888-500-7999 www.aaom.org In a message dated 9/8/03 10:51:12 AM, drdrdoc writes: > Seems to me Sharon hit it on the head. Even MDs -who have a more extensive > and intensive education- need a period of internship and Residency that > lasts for years before they are ready for a private practice. > IMHO -gleaned from much observation- no student is ready to practice on > their own when they first graduate. > That is why i have in fact been a mentor to dozens of recent grads and have > over the years taken about a dozen into my practice for a few years as a type > of externship. > Doc > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2003 Report Share Posted September 11, 2003 Sharon I would have to lean in your direction with concerns about mentoring. Although it can be beneficial certain questions begin such as....who is qualified and are they charging $$$$. When it becomes business.....one should be over cautious not to jump into it. Just another way of companies making a bottom line profit. It is one thing for local groups to get together to give each other support and quite another to make a business of it. Buyer beware when it is for profit. As to biofeedback mechanisms forget about the machines. You are much better than them.......just continue to grow in your own ability to trust your signification abilities. Richard > Doc, Richard, Lady, > > I recall when I first practiced I had a notion that if they just came and > found how good AP was then I would have a chance to build my practice. At the > time I was setting up practice from home on a very part time basis as I > continued study full time for a Dip App Sc Horse Husbandry, which was one of my > preparations to treat horses. > > Later on about 18mths into practice, still part time, I was hoping at times > that some people would cancel for I was fearful I could not or did not know > how to treat their 'disease'. I finally learnt to engage my fear to motivate > me to seek more knowledge and stop freezing up. > > Yet it was not until I found in non-tcm ap, systems of bio feedback. Eg > test a point with a finger or thumb in a polarity fashion and find that the > pressure pain on an abdominal mu pt had reduced or increased or had no change, > that I began to feel a new joy in making treatment. At last I knew if I had > made a difference at the time of treatment, as I had a bio feed system that > told me if I had made a change or not. > > I found it difficult in tcm practicing terms to know that umpteen points > could be used for say a Kid yin deficiency, but I had no way of knowing at the > time of treatment if a. My diagnosis really was credible and b. If my pt > selection, location and needle method were effective. I treated, prayed and hoped > for improvement. > > Even today I still feel on shaky ground at times, maybe sometimes as one > gets more competent the patients get more complex or one just gets tired and > looses one's focus, yet I do feel like some one has now taught me how to 'fish' > rather than give me fish. > > So I think mentoring can be a great way to go, but I wonder if it can lead > to hero worship and depenedency on how much the mentor knows without gaining > an internalised road map of one's own sense of knowing what to do. Some > non-tcm styles also give a very good structure, where one can follow the steps in > diagnosis and treatment of both the root and supportive treatment to the > symptoms using the bio feedback. > > So well structured are they that one does not move on to Step 2 of the > treatment if their Step 1 has not worked. The idea being that one never builds a > treatment on a false premise; one has to go back to the diagnosis stage after > first checking point location and needling technique. > > It maybe that the tcm style has improved since I was at college and that bio > feed back mechanisms are now part of the teaching. In which case arn't the > more recent students / graduates lucky? > cheers > Sharon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2003 Report Share Posted September 11, 2003 As a student I think this would be a wonderful thing.. to have a residency program so to speak once we graduate. It would make us all better practioners and attune us to the area we choose to have a practice in. A students 2 cents.. Lady Melody Sarasota, Fl. acuman1 [acuman1] Wednesday, September 10, 2003 8:58 PM Chinese Medicine Mentoring Doc; This is a great idea, and in fact the AAOM is developing a mentoring process where older, more experienced practitioners will help new people get their clinical and business acumen better tuned so they can have more viable start up practices. We feel that this is an immportant step in the education of the student. Perhaps a residency program will be developed someday as a more formal program, but for now I guess the professional organization has to coordinate it, outside of the volunteer individuals such as yourself. David Molony, Vice President American Association of Oriental Medicine 888-500-7999 www.aaom.org In a message dated 9/8/03 10:51:12 AM, drdrdoc writes: > Seems to me Sharon hit it on the head. Even MDs -who have a more extensive > and intensive education- need a period of internship and Residency that > lasts for years before they are ready for a private practice. > IMHO -gleaned from much observation- no student is ready to practice on > their own when they first graduate. > That is why i have in fact been a mentor to dozens of recent grads and have > over the years taken about a dozen into my practice for a few years as a type > of externship. > Doc > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2003 Report Share Posted September 11, 2003 Sharon > I feel into the trap of becoming dependent on another practitioner and I > felt I couldn't make a move without first checking with them or if I was not > following their style that I was letting them down. A trap that only you get yourself into and can get yourself out of. To be there and to see it.....is your way out. Awareness. > he bio feedback I am referring to is the person, not a machine, although > the term does imply a machine. For sure. > So instead of needling say Liv 14, see what pt on the channel or related > channel releases the tension here at Liv 14. This is where I find the various > theories really useful. I could try the Liver channel, its source, cleft of > luo pt; I could try Pe channel, I could try SI (opposite time of the day). I > could try GB channel, I could try Ht (in some Japanese AP they make 2 more > extra vessel connections one being Liv / He). I could use kinesiology to > assess any of these or other choices. All those various theories....usefull...yes. But are those thoughts raging through your mind before or during tx? If so.....a suggestion....you need to move more into the intuitive rather than the cognitive and afterward you can explain away all you want what transpired. In the moment DO.....and later talk or think. > I was surprised this week by a patient (3rd rx) with much blood stagnation, > painful periods, PMS, mostly daily h'aches etc, that I felt her stagnation > move, the tension dropped in me, I turned around (I had both her and her > mother receiving treatment in the same room), looked at the daughter and said " It > has changed. " She said " Yes. " It was day one of her periods and we both > felt the shift, I had tried a number of approaches to the stagnation with only > temporary changes during the treatment, this was much more fundamental. > Usually the first days are considered 'hell'. She was thinking of having a > hysterectomy to get rid the problem, which was the choice her mother had made for > the Blood stagnation which seems to run through the generations in all the > women. Interesting it came out at the end of the treatment, that both are > pedantic house clearners, something that made me think I should pay more attention > to the Metal element next time. What is important here is that IT happened. > So in that sense yes, the bio feedback was quite 'tangible'. Perhaps this > feedback loop just gets more and more subtle as well as more and more > obvious. Some are really obvious, like a one day old sprained ankle reducing its > pain by 95% in clinic and the ring back the next day said 100% pain gone. Some > are more subtle, with abdominal, channel or pulse changes before a change in > symptom. It gets both more subtle and more obvious and if we let it......in a relative sense...we need to do less and less while getting more and more results in less time. Oh if I were there in Oz to show some examples. Richard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2003 Report Share Posted September 11, 2003 Doc, Richard, Lady, I recall when I first practiced I had a notion that if they just came and found how good AP was then I would have a chance to build my practice. At the time I was setting up practice from home on a very part time basis as I continued study full time for a Dip App Sc Horse Husbandry, which was one of my preparations to treat horses. Later on about 18mths into practice, still part time, I was hoping at times that some people would cancel for I was fearful I could not or did not know how to treat their 'disease'. I finally learnt to engage my fear to motivate me to seek more knowledge and stop freezing up. Yet it was not until I found in non-tcm ap, systems of bio feedback. Eg test a point with a finger or thumb in a polarity fashion and find that the pressure pain on an abdominal mu pt had reduced or increased or had no change, that I began to feel a new joy in making treatment. At last I knew if I had made a difference at the time of treatment, as I had a bio feed system that told me if I had made a change or not. I found it difficult in tcm practicing terms to know that umpteen points could be used for say a Kid yin deficiency, but I had no way of knowing at the time of treatment if a. My diagnosis really was credible and b. If my pt selection, location and needle method were effective. I treated, prayed and hoped for improvement. Even today I still feel on shaky ground at times, maybe sometimes as one gets more competent the patients get more complex or one just gets tired and looses one's focus, yet I do feel like some one has now taught me how to 'fish' rather than give me fish. So I think mentoring can be a great way to go, but I wonder if it can lead to hero worship and depenedency on how much the mentor knows without gaining an internalised road map of one's own sense of knowing what to do. Some non-tcm styles also give a very good structure, where one can follow the steps in diagnosis and treatment of both the root and supportive treatment to the symptoms using the bio feedback. So well structured are they that one does not move on to Step 2 of the treatment if their Step 1 has not worked. The idea being that one never builds a treatment on a false premise; one has to go back to the diagnosis stage after first checking point location and needling technique. It maybe that the tcm style has improved since I was at college and that bio feed back mechanisms are now part of the teaching. In which case arn't the more recent students / graduates lucky? cheers Sharon - acuman1 Chinese Medicine Thursday, September 11, 2003 10:57 AM Mentoring Doc; This is a great idea, and in fact the AAOM is developing a mentoring process where older, more experienced practitioners will help new people get their clinical and business acumen better tuned so they can have more viable start up practices. We feel that this is an immportant step in the education of the student. Perhaps a residency program will be developed someday as a more formal program, but for now I guess the professional organization has to coordinate it, outside of the volunteer individuals such as yourself. David Molony, Vice President American Association of Oriental Medicine 888-500-7999 www.aaom.org In a message dated 9/8/03 10:51:12 AM, drdrdoc writes: > Seems to me Sharon hit it on the head. Even MDs -who have a more extensive > and intensive education- need a period of internship and Residency that > lasts for years before they are ready for a private practice. > IMHO -gleaned from much observation- no student is ready to practice on > their own when they first graduate. > That is why i have in fact been a mentor to dozens of recent grads and have > over the years taken about a dozen into my practice for a few years as a type > of externship. > Doc > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2003 Report Share Posted September 11, 2003 Hi Richard, I feel into the trap of becoming dependent on another practitioner and I felt I couldn't make a move without first checking with them or if I was not following their style that I was letting them down. Thanks for the compliment Richard, and the bio feedback I am referring to is the person, not a machine, although the term does imply a machine. So instead of needling say Liv 14, see what pt on the channel or related channel releases the tension here at Liv 14. This is where I find the various theories really useful. I could try the Liver channel, its source, cleft of luo pt; I could try Pe channel, I could try SI (opposite time of the day). I could try GB channel, I could try Ht (in some Japanese AP they make 2 more extra vessel connections one being Liv / He). I could use kinesiology to assess any of these or other choices. I was surprised this week by a patient (3rd rx) with much blood stagnation, painful periods, PMS, mostly daily h'aches etc, that I felt her stagnation move, the tension dropped in me, I turned around (I had both her and her mother receiving treatment in the same room), looked at the daughter and said " It has changed. " She said " Yes. " It was day one of her periods and we both felt the shift, I had tried a number of approaches to the stagnation with only temporary changes during the treatment, this was much more fundamental. Usually the first days are considered 'hell'. She was thinking of having a hysterectomy to get rid the problem, which was the choice her mother had made for the Blood stagnation which seems to run through the generations in all the women. Interesting it came out at the end of the treatment, that both are pedantic house clearners, something that made me think I should pay more attention to the Metal element next time. So in that sense yes, the bio feedback was quite 'tangible'. Perhaps this feedback loop just gets more and more subtle as well as more and more obvious. Some are really obvious, like a one day old sprained ankle reducing its pain by 95% in clinic and the ring back the next day said 100% pain gone. Some are more subtle, with abdominal, channel or pulse changes before a change in symptom. Regards Sharon - acudoc11 Chinese Medicine Thursday, September 11, 2003 2:02 PM Re: Mentoring Sharon I would have to lean in your direction with concerns about mentoring. Although it can be beneficial certain questions begin such as....who is qualified and are they charging $$$$. When it becomes business.....one should be over cautious not to jump into it. Just another way of companies making a bottom line profit. It is one thing for local groups to get together to give each other support and quite another to make a business of it. Buyer beware when it is for profit. As to biofeedback mechanisms forget about the machines. You are much better than them.......just continue to grow in your own ability to trust your signification abilities. Richard > Doc, Richard, Lady, > > I recall when I first practiced I had a notion that if they just came and > found how good AP was then I would have a chance to build my practice. At the > time I was setting up practice from home on a very part time basis as I > continued study full time for a Dip App Sc Horse Husbandry, which was one of my > preparations to treat horses. > > Later on about 18mths into practice, still part time, I was hoping at times > that some people would cancel for I was fearful I could not or did not know > how to treat their 'disease'. I finally learnt to engage my fear to motivate > me to seek more knowledge and stop freezing up. > > Yet it was not until I found in non-tcm ap, systems of bio feedback. Eg > test a point with a finger or thumb in a polarity fashion and find that the > pressure pain on an abdominal mu pt had reduced or increased or had no change, > that I began to feel a new joy in making treatment. At last I knew if I had > made a difference at the time of treatment, as I had a bio feed system that > told me if I had made a change or not. > > I found it difficult in tcm practicing terms to know that umpteen points > could be used for say a Kid yin deficiency, but I had no way of knowing at the > time of treatment if a. My diagnosis really was credible and b. If my pt > selection, location and needle method were effective. I treated, prayed and hoped > for improvement. > > Even today I still feel on shaky ground at times, maybe sometimes as one > gets more competent the patients get more complex or one just gets tired and > looses one's focus, yet I do feel like some one has now taught me how to 'fish' > rather than give me fish. > > So I think mentoring can be a great way to go, but I wonder if it can lead > to hero worship and depenedency on how much the mentor knows without gaining > an internalised road map of one's own sense of knowing what to do. Some > non-tcm styles also give a very good structure, where one can follow the steps in > diagnosis and treatment of both the root and supportive treatment to the > symptoms using the bio feedback. > > So well structured are they that one does not move on to Step 2 of the > treatment if their Step 1 has not worked. The idea being that one never builds a > treatment on a false premise; one has to go back to the diagnosis stage after > first checking point location and needling technique. > > It maybe that the tcm style has improved since I was at college and that bio > feed back mechanisms are now part of the teaching. In which case arn't the > more recent students / graduates lucky? > cheers > Sharon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2003 Report Share Posted September 11, 2003 i think we should all follow a step by step method in teaching, learning & practise as well. if we look at our pat. we find there are along list of problems. when we start treatment we find that there are achanges happening & as the changes happen in ordr we are learning. if they happen out of turn we should look at the reason why this is happening in the particular case & learn as we go. one of the beauties of live learning. anand --- <> wrote: > Doc, Richard, Lady, > > I recall when I first practiced I had a notion that > if they just came and found how good AP was then I > would have a chance to build my practice. At the > time I was setting up practice from home on a very > part time basis as I continued study full time for a > Dip App Sc Horse Husbandry, which was one of my > preparations to treat horses. > > Later on about 18mths into practice, still part > time, I was hoping at times that some people would > cancel for I was fearful I could not or did not know > how to treat their 'disease'. I finally learnt to > engage my fear to motivate me to seek more knowledge > and stop freezing up. > > Yet it was not until I found in non-tcm ap, systems > of bio feedback. Eg test a point with a finger or > thumb in a polarity fashion and find that the > pressure pain on an abdominal mu pt had reduced or > increased or had no change, that I began to feel a > new joy in making treatment. At last I knew if I > had made a difference at the time of treatment, as I > had a bio feed system that told me if I had made a > change or not. > > I found it difficult in tcm practicing terms to know > that umpteen points could be used for say a Kid yin > deficiency, but I had no way of knowing at the time > of treatment if a. My diagnosis really was credible > and b. If my pt selection, location and needle > method were effective. I treated, prayed and hoped > for improvement. > > Even today I still feel on shaky ground at times, > maybe sometimes as one gets more competent the > patients get more complex or one just gets tired and > looses one's focus, yet I do feel like some one has > now taught me how to 'fish' rather than give me > fish. > > So I think mentoring can be a great way to go, but I > wonder if it can lead to hero worship and > depenedency on how much the mentor knows without > gaining an internalised road map of one's own sense > of knowing what to do. Some non-tcm styles also > give a very good structure, where one can follow the > steps in diagnosis and treatment of both the root > and supportive treatment to the symptoms using the > bio feedback. > > So well structured are they that one does not move > on to Step 2 of the treatment if their Step 1 has > not worked. The idea being that one never builds a > treatment on a false premise; one has to go back to > the diagnosis stage after first checking point > location and needling technique. > > It maybe that the tcm style has improved since I was > at college and that bio feed back mechanisms are now > part of the teaching. In which case arn't the more > recent students / graduates lucky? > cheers > Sharon > - > acuman1 > Chinese Medicine > Thursday, September 11, 2003 10:57 AM > Mentoring > > > Doc; > This is a great idea, and in fact the AAOM is > developing a mentoring process > where older, more experienced practitioners will > help new people get their > clinical and business acumen better tuned so they > can have more viable start up > practices. We feel that this is an immportant step > in the education of the > student. Perhaps a residency program will be > developed someday as a more formal > program, but for now I guess the professional > organization has to coordinate it, > outside of the volunteer individuals such as > yourself. > David Molony, Vice President > American Association of Oriental Medicine > 888-500-7999 > www.aaom.org > > > In a message dated 9/8/03 10:51:12 AM, > drdrdoc writes: > > > > Seems to me Sharon hit it on the head. Even MDs > -who have a more extensive > > and intensive education- need a period of > internship and Residency that > > lasts for years before they are ready for a > private practice. > > IMHO -gleaned from much observation- no student > is ready to practice on > > their own when they first graduate. > > That is why i have in fact been a mentor to > dozens of recent grads and have > > over the years taken about a dozen into my > practice for a few years as a type > > of externship. > > Doc > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2003 Report Share Posted September 11, 2003 i would have thought that the student should be well prepared to face the world with knowledge & skills to practise the day he/she step out of the school after graduation. if this is not the case what is the idea os schools. my understanding of aprofessional course is such high levels of standards & tough exams that clinical practise becomes abreeze. i wonder what others think & college staff have to say. anand --- acuman1 wrote: > Doc; > This is a great idea, and in fact the AAOM is > developing a mentoring process > where older, more experienced practitioners will > help new people get their > clinical and business acumen better tuned so they > can have more viable start up > practices. We feel that this is an immportant step > in the education of the > student. Perhaps a residency program will be > developed someday as a more formal > program, but for now I guess the professional > organization has to coordinate it, > outside of the volunteer individuals such as > yourself. > David Molony, Vice President > American Association of Oriental Medicine > 888-500-7999 > www.aaom.org > > > In a message dated 9/8/03 10:51:12 AM, > drdrdoc writes: > > > > Seems to me Sharon hit it on the head. Even MDs > -who have a more extensive > > and intensive education- need a period of > internship and Residency that > > lasts for years before they are ready for a > private practice. > > IMHO -gleaned from much observation- no student is > ready to practice on > > their own when they first graduate. > > That is why i have in fact been a mentor to dozens > of recent grads and have > > over the years taken about a dozen into my > practice for a few years as a type > > of externship. > > Doc > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ===== Anand Bapat Pain Management Specialist Sports Injury Specialist Blacktown, Parramatta, Punchbowl, & Hammondville 0402 472 897 ______________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Messenger http://mail.messenger..co.uk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2003 Report Share Posted September 12, 2003 Hi Richard, You are quite right in my experience; I don't actually go through all options of what might relieve the mu point. I suppose I pick up a thread and follow it; if that thread doesn't show the change in the diagnostic pt (pulse or whatever I am using as a diagnostic tool) then, I have to reconsider my treatment direction and or my diagnostic tool. It also depends which frame of reference I am seeing through, ie Manaka, TH, medical ap etc. Yesssss I concurr, less and less to do to get more and more for the px. I have a personal idea that the less needed to expend on a px the more there is of our energy to treat more px's. Hmmmm, always a place to stay here if you are inclined to do a little travelling... Sharon - acudoc11 Chinese Medicine Thursday, September 11, 2003 3:19 PM Re: Mentoring Sharon > I feel into the trap of becoming dependent on another practitioner and I > felt I couldn't make a move without first checking with them or if I was not > following their style that I was letting them down. A trap that only you get yourself into and can get yourself out of. To be there and to see it.....is your way out. Awareness. > he bio feedback I am referring to is the person, not a machine, although > the term does imply a machine. For sure. > So instead of needling say Liv 14, see what pt on the channel or related > channel releases the tension here at Liv 14. This is where I find the various > theories really useful. I could try the Liver channel, its source, cleft of > luo pt; I could try Pe channel, I could try SI (opposite time of the day). I > could try GB channel, I could try Ht (in some Japanese AP they make 2 more > extra vessel connections one being Liv / He). I could use kinesiology to > assess any of these or other choices. All those various theories....usefull...yes. But are those thoughts raging through your mind before or during tx? If so.....a suggestion....you need to move more into the intuitive rather than the cognitive and afterward you can explain away all you want what transpired. In the moment DO.....and later talk or think. > I was surprised this week by a patient (3rd rx) with much blood stagnation, > painful periods, PMS, mostly daily h'aches etc, that I felt her stagnation > move, the tension dropped in me, I turned around (I had both her and her > mother receiving treatment in the same room), looked at the daughter and said " It > has changed. " She said " Yes. " It was day one of her periods and we both > felt the shift, I had tried a number of approaches to the stagnation with only > temporary changes during the treatment, this was much more fundamental. > Usually the first days are considered 'hell'. She was thinking of having a > hysterectomy to get rid the problem, which was the choice her mother had made for > the Blood stagnation which seems to run through the generations in all the > women. Interesting it came out at the end of the treatment, that both are > pedantic house clearners, something that made me think I should pay more attention > to the Metal element next time. What is important here is that IT happened. > So in that sense yes, the bio feedback was quite 'tangible'. Perhaps this > feedback loop just gets more and more subtle as well as more and more > obvious. Some are really obvious, like a one day old sprained ankle reducing its > pain by 95% in clinic and the ring back the next day said 100% pain gone. Some > are more subtle, with abdominal, channel or pulse changes before a change in > symptom. It gets both more subtle and more obvious and if we let it......in a relative sense...we need to do less and less while getting more and more results in less time. Oh if I were there in Oz to show some examples. Richard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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