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My hat is off to you Z'ev for taking the time to mentor recent graduates. I

have several months left at my school and have only found one instructor/

supervisor who was willing to let me observe his practice. I asked six and

was turned down(politely) each time. There is no mentoring program at my

school and very little job placement programs available. Since I have a

business background, I am not too concerned about the technicalities of

opening a business. But sitting in my practice management class the other

week, I listened to fellow students articulate their goals after graduation.

Wow, will they be in for a shock. The majority of them believe they will be

making over 200k the first year out! Several actually think they can do this

working 3-4 days per week. It would be a wonderful step for our profession

to set up a mentoring program. I certainly plan on helping out students when

I get established.

Howard Portman

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hp wrote:

 

> It would be a wonderful step for our profession

> to set up a mentoring program. I certainly plan on helping out students when

> I get established.

 

Hey Howard.

 

You know, when I first got out of school, I rented a room in a " holistic

center " and shared that room with a few other practitioners who were

also just starting out. We paid a low monthly rent plus 20% of our

gross receipts.

 

I've often thought about some sort of business based on this, but made

up of young acupuncturists who need a mentor. I don't personally have

enough experience under my belt to be called " mentor " but I've often

looked at this holistic center made up of beginning acupuncturists as a

potential money maker for an established practitioner who likes to

teach. This is something that I may do in the future.

 

The key point here is simply making a mentor program something that is

economically viable and it could really take off.

 

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Miki Shima once told me that one

of the California associations had such an official mentoring program.

Do you know anything about it?

 

 

When I was on the Board of Directors of CAAOM (now CSOMA) we talked

about this and that it was a function of the local chapters. My

understanding was that this had occurred in the past but by the time I

was there, the local chapter meetings were defunct. Basically, people

were to bring cases to the meetings where they could be discussed. A

great idea, but hard to get moving with everyone's busy schedules.

 

Colleen

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Thank you, Howard. Actually, it is not that difficult and I also

benefit from the experience, sharing cases, showing diagnostic and

treatment tips, and getting some qi support. My assistants help pick me

up when my qi is down.

 

As I said in another post, this is an idea whose time has come.

 

 

On Tuesday, July 16, 2002, at 01:43 PM, hp wrote:

 

>

> My hat is off to you Z'ev for taking the time to mentor recent

> graduates. I

> have several months left at my school and have only found one

> instructor/

> supervisor who was willing to let me observe his practice. I asked six

> and

> was turned down(politely) each time. There is no mentoring program at my

> school and very little job placement programs available.

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There is no mentoring program at my school and very little job

placement programs available.

 

Howard,

 

Has anyone complained about this? If so, what was the administration's

response?

 

Bob

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I have been apprenticing with Ze'v for about 5 years

now, I believe that it has been a key element in my

development as a practitioner. I am now in private

practice and the time I spend with Ze'v weekly

enhances my practice skills and helps me greatly.

 

After graduation we are largely thrown into the water

and expected to swim. It is good to have a coach, a

teacher, someone experienced that has the ability to

help navigate the water...

 

Eti

 

--- <zrosenbe wrote:

> Thank you, Howard. Actually, it is not that

> difficult and I also

> benefit from the experience, sharing cases, showing

> diagnostic and

> treatment tips, and getting some qi support. My

> assistants help pick me

> up when my qi is down.

>

> As I said in another post, this is an idea whose

> time has come.

>

>

> On Tuesday, July 16, 2002, at 01:43 PM, hp wrote:

>

> >

> > My hat is off to you Z'ev for taking the time to

> mentor recent

> > graduates. I

> > have several months left at my school and have

> only found one

> > instructor/

> > supervisor who was willing to let me observe his

> practice. I asked six

> > and

> > was turned down(politely) each time. There is no

> mentoring program at my

> > school and very little job placement programs

> available.

>

 

 

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Howard,

I had no business background before graduating and boy

did I learn fast. I went to seminars, listened to

tapes and mainly- I talked to everyone that I could

and learned from their experience. Ze'v was a big help

and source of encouragement,

I am more than willing to speak to anyone who would

like to benefit from my experience.

Feel free to email me offlist and we can set up a

phone interview.

 

Eti

--- hp <hnp wrote:

> My hat is off to you Z'ev for taking the time to

> mentor recent graduates. I

> have several months left at my school and have only

> found one instructor/

> supervisor who was willing to let me observe his

> practice. I asked six and

> was turned down(politely) each time. There is no

> mentoring program at my

> school and very little job placement programs

> available. Since I have a

> business background, I am not too concerned about

> the technicalities of

> opening a business. But sitting in my practice

> management class the other

> week, I listened to fellow students articulate their

> goals after graduation.

> Wow, will they be in for a shock. The majority of

> them believe they will be

> making over 200k the first year out! Several

> actually think they can do this

> working 3-4 days per week. It would be a wonderful

> step for our profession

> to set up a mentoring program. I certainly plan on

> helping out students when

> I get established.

> Howard Portman

>

>

>

 

 

=====

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Eti Domb, L.Ac.

1281 University Ave, Suite E

San Diego, CA 92103

619.543.9280

 

 

 

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, coastacu@a... wrote:

First, the thing about cat pulses. Where and

> how does one take a cat's pulse? They have these long skinny

forepaws,

> difficult to find a pulse.

 

to be honest, I was a little too stressed out at the time to pay

much attention,but I believe it was the femoral pulse that was

palpated.

 

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Doc;

This is a great idea, and in fact the AAOM is developing a mentoring process

where older, more experienced practitioners will help new people get their

clinical and business acumen better tuned so they can have more viable start up

practices. We feel that this is an immportant step in the education of the

student. Perhaps a residency program will be developed someday as a more formal

program, but for now I guess the professional organization has to coordinate it,

outside of the volunteer individuals such as yourself.

David Molony, Vice President

American Association of Oriental Medicine

888-500-7999

www.aaom.org

 

 

In a message dated 9/8/03 10:51:12 AM, drdrdoc writes:

 

 

> Seems to me Sharon hit it on the head.  Even MDs -who have a more extensive

> and intensive education- need a period of internship and Residency that

> lasts for years  before they are ready for a private practice.

> IMHO -gleaned from much observation- no student is ready to practice on

> their own when they first graduate.

> That is why i have in fact been a mentor to dozens of recent grads and have

> over the years taken about a dozen into my practice for a few years as a type

> of externship.

> Doc

>

 

 

 

 

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Sharon

 

I would have to lean in your direction with concerns about mentoring.

Although it can be beneficial certain questions begin such as....who is

qualified and

are they charging $$$$. When it becomes business.....one should be over

cautious not to jump into it. Just another way of companies making a bottom line

profit. It is one thing for local groups to get together to give each other

support and quite another to make a business of it. Buyer beware when it is for

profit.

 

As to biofeedback mechanisms forget about the machines. You are much better

than them.......just continue to grow in your own ability to trust your

signification abilities.

 

Richard

 

 

> Doc, Richard, Lady,

>

> I recall when I first practiced I had a notion that if they just came and

> found how good AP was then I would have a chance to build my practice. At the

> time I was setting up practice from home on a very part time basis as I

> continued study full time for a Dip App Sc Horse Husbandry, which was one of

my

> preparations to treat horses.

>

> Later on about 18mths into practice, still part time, I was hoping at times

> that some people would cancel for I was fearful I could not or did not know

> how to treat their 'disease'. I finally learnt to engage my fear to motivate

> me to seek more knowledge and stop freezing up.

>

> Yet it was not until I found in non-tcm ap, systems of bio feedback. Eg

> test a point with a finger or thumb in a polarity fashion and find that the

> pressure pain on an abdominal mu pt had reduced or increased or had no change,

> that I began to feel a new joy in making treatment. At last I knew if I had

> made a difference at the time of treatment, as I had a bio feed system that

> told me if I had made a change or not.

>

> I found it difficult in tcm practicing terms to know that umpteen points

> could be used for say a Kid yin deficiency, but I had no way of knowing at the

> time of treatment if a. My diagnosis really was credible and b. If my pt

> selection, location and needle method were effective. I treated, prayed and

hoped

> for improvement.

>

> Even today I still feel on shaky ground at times, maybe sometimes as one

> gets more competent the patients get more complex or one just gets tired and

> looses one's focus, yet I do feel like some one has now taught me how to

'fish'

> rather than give me fish.

>

> So I think mentoring can be a great way to go, but I wonder if it can lead

> to hero worship and depenedency on how much the mentor knows without gaining

> an internalised road map of one's own sense of knowing what to do. Some

> non-tcm styles also give a very good structure, where one can follow the steps

in

> diagnosis and treatment of both the root and supportive treatment to the

> symptoms using the bio feedback.

>

> So well structured are they that one does not move on to Step 2 of the

> treatment if their Step 1 has not worked. The idea being that one never

builds a

> treatment on a false premise; one has to go back to the diagnosis stage after

> first checking point location and needling technique.

>

> It maybe that the tcm style has improved since I was at college and that bio

> feed back mechanisms are now part of the teaching. In which case arn't the

> more recent students / graduates lucky?

> cheers

> Sharon

 

 

 

 

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As a student I think this would be a wonderful thing.. to have a residency

program so to speak once we graduate. It would make us all better

practioners and attune us to the area we choose to have a practice in.

 

A students 2 cents..

Lady Melody

Sarasota, Fl.

 

acuman1 [acuman1]

Wednesday, September 10, 2003 8:58 PM

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Mentoring

 

Doc;

This is a great idea, and in fact the AAOM is developing a mentoring process

where older, more experienced practitioners will help new people get their

clinical and business acumen better tuned so they can have more viable start

up

practices. We feel that this is an immportant step in the education of the

student. Perhaps a residency program will be developed someday as a more

formal

program, but for now I guess the professional organization has to coordinate

it,

outside of the volunteer individuals such as yourself.

David Molony, Vice President

American Association of Oriental Medicine

888-500-7999

www.aaom.org

 

 

In a message dated 9/8/03 10:51:12 AM, drdrdoc writes:

 

 

> Seems to me Sharon hit it on the head. Even MDs -who have a more

extensive

> and intensive education- need a period of internship and Residency that

> lasts for years before they are ready for a private practice.

> IMHO -gleaned from much observation- no student is ready to practice on

> their own when they first graduate.

> That is why i have in fact been a mentor to dozens of recent grads and

have

> over the years taken about a dozen into my practice for a few years as a

type

> of externship.

> Doc

>

 

 

 

 

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> I feel into the trap of becoming dependent on another practitioner and I

> felt I couldn't make a move without first checking with them or if I was not

> following their style that I was letting them down.

 

A trap that only you get yourself into and can get yourself out of. To be

there and to see it.....is your way out. Awareness.

 

> he bio feedback I am referring to is the person, not a machine, although

> the term does imply a machine.

 

For sure.

 

> So instead of needling say Liv 14, see what pt on the channel or related

> channel releases the tension here at Liv 14. This is where I find the various

> theories really useful. I could try the Liver channel, its source, cleft of

> luo pt; I could try Pe channel, I could try SI (opposite time of the day). I

> could try GB channel, I could try Ht (in some Japanese AP they make 2 more

> extra vessel connections one being Liv / He). I could use kinesiology to

> assess any of these or other choices.

 

All those various theories....usefull...yes. But are those thoughts raging

through your mind before or during tx? If so.....a suggestion....you need to

move more into the intuitive rather than the cognitive and afterward you can

explain away all you want what transpired. In the moment DO.....and later talk

or

think.

 

> I was surprised this week by a patient (3rd rx) with much blood stagnation,

> painful periods, PMS, mostly daily h'aches etc, that I felt her stagnation

> move, the tension dropped in me, I turned around (I had both her and her

> mother receiving treatment in the same room), looked at the daughter and said

" It

> has changed. " She said " Yes. " It was day one of her periods and we both

> felt the shift, I had tried a number of approaches to the stagnation with only

> temporary changes during the treatment, this was much more fundamental.

> Usually the first days are considered 'hell'. She was thinking of having a

> hysterectomy to get rid the problem, which was the choice her mother had made

for

> the Blood stagnation which seems to run through the generations in all the

> women. Interesting it came out at the end of the treatment, that both are

> pedantic house clearners, something that made me think I should pay more

attention

> to the Metal element next time.

 

What is important here is that IT happened.

 

> So in that sense yes, the bio feedback was quite 'tangible'. Perhaps this

> feedback loop just gets more and more subtle as well as more and more

> obvious. Some are really obvious, like a one day old sprained ankle reducing

its

> pain by 95% in clinic and the ring back the next day said 100% pain gone.

Some

> are more subtle, with abdominal, channel or pulse changes before a change in

> symptom.

 

It gets both more subtle and more obvious and if we let it......in a relative

sense...we need to do less and less while getting more and more results in

less time.

 

Oh if I were there in Oz to show some examples.

 

Richard

 

 

 

 

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Doc, Richard, Lady,

 

I recall when I first practiced I had a notion that if they just came and found

how good AP was then I would have a chance to build my practice. At the time I

was setting up practice from home on a very part time basis as I continued study

full time for a Dip App Sc Horse Husbandry, which was one of my preparations to

treat horses.

 

Later on about 18mths into practice, still part time, I was hoping at times that

some people would cancel for I was fearful I could not or did not know how to

treat their 'disease'. I finally learnt to engage my fear to motivate me to

seek more knowledge and stop freezing up.

 

Yet it was not until I found in non-tcm ap, systems of bio feedback. Eg test a

point with a finger or thumb in a polarity fashion and find that the pressure

pain on an abdominal mu pt had reduced or increased or had no change, that I

began to feel a new joy in making treatment. At last I knew if I had made a

difference at the time of treatment, as I had a bio feed system that told me if

I had made a change or not.

 

I found it difficult in tcm practicing terms to know that umpteen points could

be used for say a Kid yin deficiency, but I had no way of knowing at the time of

treatment if a. My diagnosis really was credible and b. If my pt selection,

location and needle method were effective. I treated, prayed and hoped for

improvement.

 

Even today I still feel on shaky ground at times, maybe sometimes as one gets

more competent the patients get more complex or one just gets tired and looses

one's focus, yet I do feel like some one has now taught me how to 'fish' rather

than give me fish.

 

So I think mentoring can be a great way to go, but I wonder if it can lead to

hero worship and depenedency on how much the mentor knows without gaining an

internalised road map of one's own sense of knowing what to do. Some non-tcm

styles also give a very good structure, where one can follow the steps in

diagnosis and treatment of both the root and supportive treatment to the

symptoms using the bio feedback.

 

So well structured are they that one does not move on to Step 2 of the treatment

if their Step 1 has not worked. The idea being that one never builds a

treatment on a false premise; one has to go back to the diagnosis stage after

first checking point location and needling technique.

 

It maybe that the tcm style has improved since I was at college and that bio

feed back mechanisms are now part of the teaching. In which case arn't the more

recent students / graduates lucky?

cheers

Sharon

-

acuman1

Chinese Medicine

Thursday, September 11, 2003 10:57 AM

Mentoring

 

 

Doc;

This is a great idea, and in fact the AAOM is developing a mentoring process

where older, more experienced practitioners will help new people get their

clinical and business acumen better tuned so they can have more viable start

up

practices. We feel that this is an immportant step in the education of the

student. Perhaps a residency program will be developed someday as a more

formal

program, but for now I guess the professional organization has to coordinate

it,

outside of the volunteer individuals such as yourself.

David Molony, Vice President

American Association of Oriental Medicine

888-500-7999

www.aaom.org

 

 

In a message dated 9/8/03 10:51:12 AM, drdrdoc writes:

 

 

> Seems to me Sharon hit it on the head. Even MDs -who have a more extensive

> and intensive education- need a period of internship and Residency that

> lasts for years before they are ready for a private practice.

> IMHO -gleaned from much observation- no student is ready to practice on

> their own when they first graduate.

> That is why i have in fact been a mentor to dozens of recent grads and have

> over the years taken about a dozen into my practice for a few years as a

type

> of externship.

> Doc

>

 

 

 

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Hi Richard,

I feel into the trap of becoming dependent on another practitioner and I felt I

couldn't make a move without first checking with them or if I was not following

their style that I was letting them down.

 

Thanks for the compliment Richard, and the bio feedback I am referring to is the

person, not a machine, although the term does imply a machine.

 

So instead of needling say Liv 14, see what pt on the channel or related channel

releases the tension here at Liv 14. This is where I find the various theories

really useful. I could try the Liver channel, its source, cleft of luo pt; I

could try Pe channel, I could try SI (opposite time of the day). I could try GB

channel, I could try Ht (in some Japanese AP they make 2 more extra vessel

connections one being Liv / He). I could use kinesiology to assess any of these

or other choices.

 

I was surprised this week by a patient (3rd rx) with much blood stagnation,

painful periods, PMS, mostly daily h'aches etc, that I felt her stagnation move,

the tension dropped in me, I turned around (I had both her and her mother

receiving treatment in the same room), looked at the daughter and said " It has

changed. " She said " Yes. " It was day one of her periods and we both felt the

shift, I had tried a number of approaches to the stagnation with only temporary

changes during the treatment, this was much more fundamental. Usually the first

days are considered 'hell'. She was thinking of having a hysterectomy to get

rid the problem, which was the choice her mother had made for the Blood

stagnation which seems to run through the generations in all the women.

Interesting it came out at the end of the treatment, that both are pedantic

house clearners, something that made me think I should pay more attention to the

Metal element next time.

 

So in that sense yes, the bio feedback was quite 'tangible'. Perhaps this

feedback loop just gets more and more subtle as well as more and more obvious.

Some are really obvious, like a one day old sprained ankle reducing its pain by

95% in clinic and the ring back the next day said 100% pain gone. Some are more

subtle, with abdominal, channel or pulse changes before a change in symptom.

 

Regards

Sharon

 

 

-

acudoc11

Chinese Medicine

Thursday, September 11, 2003 2:02 PM

Re: Mentoring

 

 

Sharon

 

I would have to lean in your direction with concerns about mentoring.

Although it can be beneficial certain questions begin such as....who is

qualified and

are they charging $$$$. When it becomes business.....one should be over

cautious not to jump into it. Just another way of companies making a bottom

line

profit. It is one thing for local groups to get together to give each other

support and quite another to make a business of it. Buyer beware when it is

for

profit.

 

As to biofeedback mechanisms forget about the machines. You are much better

than them.......just continue to grow in your own ability to trust your

signification abilities.

 

Richard

 

 

> Doc, Richard, Lady,

>

> I recall when I first practiced I had a notion that if they just came and

> found how good AP was then I would have a chance to build my practice. At

the

> time I was setting up practice from home on a very part time basis as I

> continued study full time for a Dip App Sc Horse Husbandry, which was one of

my

> preparations to treat horses.

>

> Later on about 18mths into practice, still part time, I was hoping at times

> that some people would cancel for I was fearful I could not or did not know

> how to treat their 'disease'. I finally learnt to engage my fear to

motivate

> me to seek more knowledge and stop freezing up.

>

> Yet it was not until I found in non-tcm ap, systems of bio feedback. Eg

> test a point with a finger or thumb in a polarity fashion and find that the

> pressure pain on an abdominal mu pt had reduced or increased or had no

change,

> that I began to feel a new joy in making treatment. At last I knew if I had

> made a difference at the time of treatment, as I had a bio feed system that

> told me if I had made a change or not.

>

> I found it difficult in tcm practicing terms to know that umpteen points

> could be used for say a Kid yin deficiency, but I had no way of knowing at

the

> time of treatment if a. My diagnosis really was credible and b. If my pt

> selection, location and needle method were effective. I treated, prayed and

hoped

> for improvement.

>

> Even today I still feel on shaky ground at times, maybe sometimes as one

> gets more competent the patients get more complex or one just gets tired and

> looses one's focus, yet I do feel like some one has now taught me how to

'fish'

> rather than give me fish.

>

> So I think mentoring can be a great way to go, but I wonder if it can lead

> to hero worship and depenedency on how much the mentor knows without gaining

> an internalised road map of one's own sense of knowing what to do. Some

> non-tcm styles also give a very good structure, where one can follow the

steps in

> diagnosis and treatment of both the root and supportive treatment to the

> symptoms using the bio feedback.

>

> So well structured are they that one does not move on to Step 2 of the

> treatment if their Step 1 has not worked. The idea being that one never

builds a

> treatment on a false premise; one has to go back to the diagnosis stage

after

> first checking point location and needling technique.

>

> It maybe that the tcm style has improved since I was at college and that bio

> feed back mechanisms are now part of the teaching. In which case arn't the

> more recent students / graduates lucky?

> cheers

> Sharon

 

 

 

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i think we should all follow a step by step method in

teaching, learning & practise as well. if we look at

our pat. we find there are along list of problems.

when we start treatment we find that there are

achanges happening & as the changes happen in ordr we

are learning. if they happen out of turn we should

look at the reason why this is happening in the

particular case & learn as we go.

one of the beauties of live learning.

anand

 

 

 

--- <>

wrote: > Doc, Richard, Lady,

>

> I recall when I first practiced I had a notion that

> if they just came and found how good AP was then I

> would have a chance to build my practice. At the

> time I was setting up practice from home on a very

> part time basis as I continued study full time for a

> Dip App Sc Horse Husbandry, which was one of my

> preparations to treat horses.

>

> Later on about 18mths into practice, still part

> time, I was hoping at times that some people would

> cancel for I was fearful I could not or did not know

> how to treat their 'disease'. I finally learnt to

> engage my fear to motivate me to seek more knowledge

> and stop freezing up.

>

> Yet it was not until I found in non-tcm ap, systems

> of bio feedback. Eg test a point with a finger or

> thumb in a polarity fashion and find that the

> pressure pain on an abdominal mu pt had reduced or

> increased or had no change, that I began to feel a

> new joy in making treatment. At last I knew if I

> had made a difference at the time of treatment, as I

> had a bio feed system that told me if I had made a

> change or not.

>

> I found it difficult in tcm practicing terms to know

> that umpteen points could be used for say a Kid yin

> deficiency, but I had no way of knowing at the time

> of treatment if a. My diagnosis really was credible

> and b. If my pt selection, location and needle

> method were effective. I treated, prayed and hoped

> for improvement.

>

> Even today I still feel on shaky ground at times,

> maybe sometimes as one gets more competent the

> patients get more complex or one just gets tired and

> looses one's focus, yet I do feel like some one has

> now taught me how to 'fish' rather than give me

> fish.

>

> So I think mentoring can be a great way to go, but I

> wonder if it can lead to hero worship and

> depenedency on how much the mentor knows without

> gaining an internalised road map of one's own sense

> of knowing what to do. Some non-tcm styles also

> give a very good structure, where one can follow the

> steps in diagnosis and treatment of both the root

> and supportive treatment to the symptoms using the

> bio feedback.

>

> So well structured are they that one does not move

> on to Step 2 of the treatment if their Step 1 has

> not worked. The idea being that one never builds a

> treatment on a false premise; one has to go back to

> the diagnosis stage after first checking point

> location and needling technique.

>

> It maybe that the tcm style has improved since I was

> at college and that bio feed back mechanisms are now

> part of the teaching. In which case arn't the more

> recent students / graduates lucky?

> cheers

> Sharon

> -

> acuman1

> Chinese Medicine

> Thursday, September 11, 2003 10:57 AM

> Mentoring

>

>

> Doc;

> This is a great idea, and in fact the AAOM is

> developing a mentoring process

> where older, more experienced practitioners will

> help new people get their

> clinical and business acumen better tuned so they

> can have more viable start up

> practices. We feel that this is an immportant step

> in the education of the

> student. Perhaps a residency program will be

> developed someday as a more formal

> program, but for now I guess the professional

> organization has to coordinate it,

> outside of the volunteer individuals such as

> yourself.

> David Molony, Vice President

> American Association of Oriental Medicine

> 888-500-7999

> www.aaom.org

>

>

> In a message dated 9/8/03 10:51:12 AM,

> drdrdoc writes:

>

>

> > Seems to me Sharon hit it on the head. Even MDs

> -who have a more extensive

> > and intensive education- need a period of

> internship and Residency that

> > lasts for years before they are ready for a

> private practice.

> > IMHO -gleaned from much observation- no student

> is ready to practice on

> > their own when they first graduate.

> > That is why i have in fact been a mentor to

> dozens of recent grads and have

> > over the years taken about a dozen into my

> practice for a few years as a type

> > of externship.

> > Doc

> >

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

>

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i would have thought that the student should be well

prepared to face the world with knowledge & skills to

practise the day he/she step out of the school after

graduation.

if this is not the case what is the idea os schools.

my understanding of aprofessional course is such high

levels of standards & tough exams that clinical

practise becomes abreeze.

i wonder what others think & college staff have to

say.

anand

 

 

 

--- acuman1 wrote: > Doc;

> This is a great idea, and in fact the AAOM is

> developing a mentoring process

> where older, more experienced practitioners will

> help new people get their

> clinical and business acumen better tuned so they

> can have more viable start up

> practices. We feel that this is an immportant step

> in the education of the

> student. Perhaps a residency program will be

> developed someday as a more formal

> program, but for now I guess the professional

> organization has to coordinate it,

> outside of the volunteer individuals such as

> yourself.

> David Molony, Vice President

> American Association of Oriental Medicine

> 888-500-7999

> www.aaom.org

>

>

> In a message dated 9/8/03 10:51:12 AM,

> drdrdoc writes:

>

>

> > Seems to me Sharon hit it on the head.  Even MDs

> -who have a more extensive

> > and intensive education- need a period of

> internship and Residency that

> > lasts for years  before they are ready for a

> private practice.

> > IMHO -gleaned from much observation- no student is

> ready to practice on

> > their own when they first graduate.

> > That is why i have in fact been a mentor to dozens

> of recent grads and have

> > over the years taken about a dozen into my

> practice for a few years as a type

> > of externship.

> > Doc

> >

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

 

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Anand Bapat

Pain Management Specialist

Sports Injury Specialist

Blacktown, Parramatta, Punchbowl, & Hammondville

0402 472 897

 

 

 

 

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Hi Richard,

You are quite right in my experience; I don't actually go through all options of

what might relieve the mu point. I suppose I pick up a thread and follow it; if

that thread doesn't show the change in the diagnostic pt (pulse or whatever I am

using as a diagnostic tool) then, I have to reconsider my treatment direction

and or my diagnostic tool. It also depends which frame of reference I am seeing

through, ie Manaka, TH, medical ap etc.

 

Yesssss I concurr, less and less to do to get more and more for the px. I have

a personal idea that the less needed to expend on a px the more there is of our

energy to treat more px's.

 

Hmmmm, always a place to stay here if you are inclined to do a little

travelling...

Sharon

 

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acudoc11

Chinese Medicine

Thursday, September 11, 2003 3:19 PM

Re: Mentoring

 

 

Sharon

 

> I feel into the trap of becoming dependent on another practitioner and I

> felt I couldn't make a move without first checking with them or if I was not

> following their style that I was letting them down.

 

A trap that only you get yourself into and can get yourself out of. To be

there and to see it.....is your way out. Awareness.

 

> he bio feedback I am referring to is the person, not a machine, although

> the term does imply a machine.

 

For sure.

 

> So instead of needling say Liv 14, see what pt on the channel or related

> channel releases the tension here at Liv 14. This is where I find the

various

> theories really useful. I could try the Liver channel, its source, cleft of

> luo pt; I could try Pe channel, I could try SI (opposite time of the day).

I

> could try GB channel, I could try Ht (in some Japanese AP they make 2 more

> extra vessel connections one being Liv / He). I could use kinesiology to

> assess any of these or other choices.

 

All those various theories....usefull...yes. But are those thoughts raging

through your mind before or during tx? If so.....a suggestion....you need to

move more into the intuitive rather than the cognitive and afterward you can

explain away all you want what transpired. In the moment DO.....and later talk

or

think.

 

> I was surprised this week by a patient (3rd rx) with much blood stagnation,

> painful periods, PMS, mostly daily h'aches etc, that I felt her stagnation

> move, the tension dropped in me, I turned around (I had both her and her

> mother receiving treatment in the same room), looked at the daughter and

said " It

> has changed. " She said " Yes. " It was day one of her periods and we both

> felt the shift, I had tried a number of approaches to the stagnation with

only

> temporary changes during the treatment, this was much more fundamental.

> Usually the first days are considered 'hell'. She was thinking of having a

> hysterectomy to get rid the problem, which was the choice her mother had

made for

> the Blood stagnation which seems to run through the generations in all the

> women. Interesting it came out at the end of the treatment, that both are

> pedantic house clearners, something that made me think I should pay more

attention

> to the Metal element next time.

 

What is important here is that IT happened.

 

> So in that sense yes, the bio feedback was quite 'tangible'. Perhaps this

> feedback loop just gets more and more subtle as well as more and more

> obvious. Some are really obvious, like a one day old sprained ankle

reducing its

> pain by 95% in clinic and the ring back the next day said 100% pain gone.

Some

> are more subtle, with abdominal, channel or pulse changes before a change in

> symptom.

 

It gets both more subtle and more obvious and if we let it......in a relative

sense...we need to do less and less while getting more and more results in

less time.

 

Oh if I were there in Oz to show some examples.

 

Richard

 

 

 

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