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[Guest guest]

Dear Mr. Malooney

 

Ethics? Yes, you are right and very questionable ethics to say the least.

 

Doctoral 'level' education?

That which is still NOT available to the profession unless of course one

considers a 'non-PhD-research degree' as basic doctor entry level AND wishes to

go

into research which 99% of the 'qualified practicitioners'....do NOT.

 

Actually, I like your suggestion and will certainly seriously consider taking

you up on it regarding creating a REAL...DOM peer reviwed credential for ONLY

those who are 'qualified AP/OM practitioners'.

 

Does the AAOM wish to give it's full legal permission and turn over all

rights (assuming their are no problems, nothing outstanding, and, of course,

that

the pschometric consultant also approves) to AOMNC????

 

You are right - this IS our last communication regarding these issues. Maybe

'qualified practitioners' around the world will come to SEE what has

transpired over the years from 1970 to present.

 

As to 'non-for-profit entities' and 'for-profit entities'......there are

ethics and either kind of organization can be quite ethical OR unethical. And

another resounding... YES....joining AOMNC does not and is never intended to

EVER

cost the member ANY money and yet from time to time where and when

appropriate....AOMNC will in fact make a reasonable profit.

 

AOMNC this past weekend sponsored a very large turnout for Florida 'qualified

practitioners' to complete their mandatory continuing education requirements

for licensure renewal and we DID in fact charge a FEE of only $135 for the

whole weekend compared to all the others that were offering courses charging

upwards to $300 for the same. I have no qualms about making money BUT there are

times, places and ethics involved.

 

I also have no problem with FULLY trained MDs administering acupuncture. But

your definitin of 'fully trained' and mine most likely greatly differ. Since

you feel there is no reason to further this conversation......I will tell you

my definition of a well-trained MD. Education consisting of at least 1,725

hours which does not include the additional 450 hours to work in materia medica

which would bring it to the very basic entry level of 2,175 hours.

 

Richard Freiberg

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

> Subj: Re: Re: TCM Praci tioner teaching western

> doctors - who a re they?

> 8/25/2003 12:50:30 AM Eastern Daylight Time

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> <A

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> Sent from the Internet

>

>

>

> Dear Mr. Richard Fryberg;

> It related at least partially to ethics, if I remember correctly. It seems

> there was no doctoral level education at the time, and while it may be

> feasible

> for a state to provide a blanket licensure title, there are different

> ethical

> qualities necessary for a board run non profit organization then for a for

> profit one such as yours, so I am hoping you will give one soon, vying with

> the

> NCCAOM for quality and ethical righteousness. Then there were other

> considerations such as money, volunteer participation (funny I didn't see

> you providing

> either of those, given your seeming interest, but ah yes, your interests),

> and

> others.

>

> Uh oh. I see myself doing a point for point response to your diatribe, and

> thus feeding into it and future ones of a similar nature. So, in my effort

> to

> help your dysfunction and mine, I bid you adieu. Hope you make lots of money

>

> with your " free " for profit organization.

>

> By the way, I have no problem with fully trained, ethical MD's doing

> acupuncture, as my statement you replied to with your Hunter Thompsonesque

> accusations

> says clearly.

>

> David Molony

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

richard very well put. i totally agfree. i have total

faith in anyone who does a corresponding coursework as

we have put in- whether it be MDs or PT does not

matter.

anand

 

 

--- acudoc11 wrote: > Dear Mr. Malooney

>

> Ethics? Yes, you are right and very questionable

> ethics to say the least.

>

> Doctoral 'level' education?

> That which is still NOT available to the profession

> unless of course one

> considers a 'non-PhD-research degree' as basic

> doctor entry level AND wishes to go

> into research which 99% of the 'qualified

> practicitioners'....do NOT.

>

> Actually, I like your suggestion and will certainly

> seriously consider taking

> you up on it regarding creating a REAL...DOM peer

> reviwed credential for ONLY

> those who are 'qualified AP/OM practitioners'.

>

> Does the AAOM wish to give it's full legal

> permission and turn over all

> rights (assuming their are no problems, nothing

> outstanding, and, of course, that

> the pschometric consultant also approves) to

> AOMNC????

>

> You are right - this IS our last communication

> regarding these issues. Maybe

> 'qualified practitioners' around the world will come

> to SEE what has

> transpired over the years from 1970 to present.

>

> As to 'non-for-profit entities' and 'for-profit

> entities'......there are

> ethics and either kind of organization can be quite

> ethical OR unethical. And

> another resounding... YES....joining AOMNC does not

> and is never intended to EVER

> cost the member ANY money and yet from time to time

> where and when

> appropriate....AOMNC will in fact make a reasonable

> profit.

>

> AOMNC this past weekend sponsored a very large

> turnout for Florida 'qualified

> practitioners' to complete their mandatory

> continuing education requirements

> for licensure renewal and we DID in fact charge a

> FEE of only $135 for the

> whole weekend compared to all the others that were

> offering courses charging

> upwards to $300 for the same. I have no qualms about

> making money BUT there are

> times, places and ethics involved.

>

> I also have no problem with FULLY trained MDs

> administering acupuncture. But

> your definitin of 'fully trained' and mine most

> likely greatly differ. Since

> you feel there is no reason to further this

> conversation......I will tell you

> my definition of a well-trained MD. Education

> consisting of at least 1,725

> hours which does not include the additional 450

> hours to work in materia medica

> which would bring it to the very basic entry level

> of 2,175 hours.

>

> Richard Freiberg

>

>

>

> Subj: Re: Re: TCM Praci tioner

> teaching western

> > doctors - who a re they?

> > 8/25/2003 12:50:30 AM Eastern Daylight Time

> > <A

> HREF= " acuman1 " >acuman1</A>

> > Reply-to: <A

>

HREF= " Chinese Medicine " >Traditional_Chinese_M\

edicine </A>

> > <A

>

HREF= " Chinese Medicine " >Traditional_Chinese_M\

edicine </A>

> > Sent from the Internet

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Mr. Richard Fryberg;

> > It related at least partially to ethics, if I

> remember correctly. It seems

> > there was no doctoral level education at the time,

> and while it may be

> > feasible

> > for a state to provide a blanket licensure title,

> there are different

> > ethical

> > qualities necessary for a board run non profit

> organization then for a for

> > profit one such as yours, so I am hoping you will

> give one soon, vying with

> > the

> > NCCAOM for quality and ethical righteousness. Then

> there were other

> > considerations such as money, volunteer

> participation (funny I didn't see

> > you providing

> > either of those, given your seeming interest, but

> ah yes, your interests),

> > and

> > others.

> >

> > Uh oh. I see myself doing a point for point

> response to your diatribe, and

> > thus feeding into it and future ones of a similar

> nature. So, in my effort

> > to

> > help your dysfunction and mine, I bid you adieu.

> Hope you make lots of money

> >

> > with your " free " for profit organization.

> >

> > By the way, I have no problem with fully trained,

> ethical MD's doing

> > acupuncture, as my statement you replied to with

> your Hunter Thompsonesque

> > accusations

> > says clearly.

> >

> > David Molony

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

 

=====

Anand Bapat

Pain Management Specialist

Sports Injury Specialist

Blacktown, Parramatta, Punchbowl, & Hammondville

0402 472 897

 

 

 

 

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