Reply to Alon's description of dry needling

August 25, 2003

Alon: The plunger was developed by the Japanese acupu MD nakatani

(not sure of spelling). it is used for convenience not for control.

Since the technique uses many multiple insertion using one needle it

is a quick way to have a needle guide.

Atti: I really can't believe that. The idea of using a plunger for

convenience and speed is absolutely ridiculous! I really can't

believe it. I heard from my Chinese lecturer of a doctor in China

who could put a needle in every acupoint on the urinary bladder in

less than a minute. It's called practice.

Attilio

August 25, 2003

> " " <attiliodalberto

>Chinese Medicine

>Re: Reply to Alon's description of dry needling

>Sun, 24 Aug 2003 23:23:02 -0000

>

>Alon: The plunger was developed by the Japanese acupu MD nakatani

>(not sure of spelling). it is used for convenience not for control.

>Since the technique uses many multiple insertion using one needle it

>is a quick way to have a needle guide.

>

>Atti: I really can't believe that. The idea of using a plunger for

>convenience and speed is absolutely ridiculous! I really can't

>believe it. I heard from my Chinese lecturer of a doctor in China

>who could put a needle in every acupoint on the urinary bladder in

>less than a minute. It's called practice.

>

>Attilio

>

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August 25, 2003

Atti wrote: " I really can't believe that. The idea of using a plunger for

convenience and speed is absolutely ridiculous! I really can't

believe it. I heard from my Chinese lecturer of a doctor in China

who could put a needle in every acupoint on the urinary bladder in

less than a minute. It's called practice. "

Matt: I am not sure of the " plunger " others in this thread were referring to,

but I worked with some Korean OMD's who used a spring-loaded plunger device that

was designed not for the quick insertion aspect, but the quick withdrawal of the

needle. These devises were used for techniques in which the needle was withdrawn

instantly after insertion and the spring action took care of that. The device

also allowed the depth of the insertion to be controlled exactly. One use for

this device was a type of Korean Constitutional technique in which 4 or 5 points

were chosen (based on a Korean style pulse diagnoses) and then each point was

needled in a specific order for a split second 4 or 5 times. This was a

beautiful technique and required a precise rhythm of needling.

Another Korean Dr. I trained a bit with used this retractable needle to do a

different bleeding technique. This Doc was quite famous in Korea (he was the

Royal family's Doc)and did more bleeding than anyone I have ever witnessed. He

would palpate spots and use this spring-loaded device with a 34 or so ga. needle

to poke 15-20 holes in 2 seconds! He would then use the cupping device- a glass

cup fitted with the valve and reverse air pump - to use suction with the

bleeding. He would do several (7-10) cups, bleeding with 15-20 holes under each

cup.

Both of the above techniques use this spring-loaded retractable needle and got

very good results. Of course, this was 20 years ago and no one was sterilizing

the device between uses. They would use a new needle but the device could

contaminate a new needle as blood etc. could get trapped inside.

So many different techniques!

Matt Bauer

-

Chinese Medicine

Sunday, August 24, 2003 4:23 PM

Re: Reply to Alon's description of dry needling

Alon: The plunger was developed by the Japanese acupu MD nakatani

(not sure of spelling). it is used for convenience not for control.

Since the technique uses many multiple insertion using one needle it

is a quick way to have a needle guide.

Attilio

August 25, 2003

Thanks for that Matt. Actually my wife is Korean and i've heard of

this technique. I believe that the quick insertions around the body

follows the five element theory.

You were very lucky to study with such a famous Korean doctor!

Attilio

" matt bauer " <acu.guy@g...> wrote:

> Atti wrote: " I really can't believe that. The idea of using a

plunger for

> convenience and speed is absolutely ridiculous! I really can't

> believe it. I heard from my Chinese lecturer of a doctor in China

> who could put a needle in every acupoint on the urinary bladder in

> less than a minute. It's called practice. "

>

> Matt: I am not sure of the " plunger " others in this thread were

referring to, but I worked with some Korean OMD's who used a spring-

loaded plunger device that was designed not for the quick insertion

aspect, but the quick withdrawal of the needle. These devises were

used for techniques in which the needle was withdrawn instantly

after insertion and the spring action took care of that. The device

also allowed the depth of the insertion to be controlled exactly.

One use for this device was a type of Korean Constitutional

technique in which 4 or 5 points were chosen (based on a Korean

style pulse diagnoses) and then each point was needled in a specific

order for a split second 4 or 5 times. This was a beautiful

technique and required a precise rhythm of needling.

>

> Another Korean Dr. I trained a bit with used this retractable

needle to do a different bleeding technique. This Doc was quite

famous in Korea (he was the Royal family's Doc)and did more bleeding

than anyone I have ever witnessed. He would palpate spots and use

this spring-loaded device with a 34 or so ga. needle to poke 15-20

holes in 2 seconds! He would then use the cupping device- a glass

cup fitted with the valve and reverse air pump - to use suction with

the bleeding. He would do several (7-10) cups, bleeding with 15-20

holes under each cup.

>

> Both of the above techniques use this spring-loaded retractable

needle and got very good results. Of course, this was 20 years ago

and no one was sterilizing the device between uses. They would use a

new needle but the device could contaminate a new needle as blood

etc. could get trapped inside.

>

> So many different techniques!

>

> Matt Bauer

>

> -

>

> Chinese Medicine

> Sunday, August 24, 2003 4:23 PM

> Re: Reply to Alon's description of dry needling

>

> Alon: The plunger was developed by the Japanese acupu MD

nakatani

> (not sure of spelling). it is used for convenience not for

control.

> Since the technique uses many multiple insertion using one

needle it

> is a quick way to have a needle guide.

>

> Attilio

>

August 25, 2003