Guest guest Posted August 24, 2003 Report Share Posted August 24, 2003 Richard: I gather such problems exist not only in England but elsewhere in Europe etc. Richard I believe that the UK is better than other countries in Europe. Apart from being more open minded the law is quite different. A large part of Europe is run by Napoleonic law which means only MD's can practice any form of healthcare whilst in the UK they don't use Napoleonic law for obvious reasons hence we high a high number of alternative practices along with CM. Attilio Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 24, 2003 Report Share Posted August 24, 2003 Attilio > I believe that the UK is better than other countries in Europe. > Apart from being more open minded the law is quite different. A > large part of Europe is run by Napoleonic law which means only MD's > can practice any form of healthcare whilst in the UK they don't use > Napoleonic law for obvious reasons hence we high a high number of > alternative practices along with CM. Alwin: Since 1992 the Netherlands has a new law by which it is no longer restricted to MD's to perform 'medical actions'. This new law provide protection for the use of certain titles such as doctor, dentist, pharmacist, clinical psychologist, psychotherapist, physiotherapist, obstetrician, nurse. Practioners of these professions all have to be registered. The law reserves the right to perform certain medical actions for these 8 professions:e.g. surgical actions, obstetricianal actions, catheterisations and endoscopies, punctions and injections, anaesthetisation, use of radio-active substances or ionising radiation, cardioversion, defibrilation, electroshock, stone pulverisation, artificial insemination. By Order in Council / decree (don't know the correct english word) there are additional medical professions which are recognised by law with a somewhat less severe protection and are regulated in terms of requirements of level and duration of the education, apprenticeship and examination and which regulate which are the appropriate actions, responsibilities and attitude for practitioners of this profession. The basis of this new law is that in principle everybody is allowed to perform medical actions. This freedom is then further limited by law as I mentioned above. The purpose of this new law is to give the patient the right to choose the health practitioner he/she feels is most appriopriate for his medical condition. This law is put in practice in phases and is being regularly reviewed. As far as I am aware of now there is no decree about the profession of Acupuncturist or TCM. There is though some basic level of WM-knowledge (anatomy, physiology and pathology) required to be allowed to practice any of the regular or alternative medicines. What you see happening in practice is that there are several large professional associations which licencate the (limited number of) educational institutes of TCM and which hold the practitioners to strict rules and regulations regarding the quality of the profession. The public look very much for practitioners belonging to such an association and the insurance companies often only reimburse treatments by practitioners who are a member of one of these associations. No more Napoleonic systems anymore ;-). Alwin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2003 Report Share Posted August 25, 2003 Thank you Alwin, you are wuite right. The Netherlands is a wonderful liberal, open minded country and a great place to live. I was making reference to the rest of Europe. Actually, i believe that it is in the Nertherlands and the UK only that has a joint degree run with Beijing university teaching TCM in Europe. Attilio Chinese Medicine , " Alwin van Egmond " <@v...> wrote: > Attilio > > I believe that the UK is better than other countries in Europe. > > Apart from being more open minded the law is quite different. A > > large part of Europe is run by Napoleonic law which means only MD's > > can practice any form of healthcare whilst in the UK they don't use > > Napoleonic law for obvious reasons hence we high a high number of > > alternative practices along with CM. > > Alwin: > Since 1992 the Netherlands has a new law by which it is no longer > restricted to MD's to perform 'medical actions'. > This new law provide protection for the use of certain titles such as > doctor, dentist, pharmacist, clinical psychologist, psychotherapist, > physiotherapist, obstetrician, nurse. Practioners of these > professions all have to be registered. The law reserves the right to > perform certain medical actions for these 8 professions:e.g. surgical > actions, obstetricianal actions, catheterisations and endoscopies, > punctions and injections, anaesthetisation, use of radio-active > substances or ionising radiation, cardioversion, defibrilation, > electroshock, stone pulverisation, artificial insemination. > > By Order in Council / decree (don't know the correct english word) > there are additional medical professions which are recognised by law > with a somewhat less severe protection and are regulated in terms of > requirements of level and duration of the education, apprenticeship > and examination and which regulate which are the appropriate actions, > responsibilities and attitude for practitioners of this profession. > > The basis of this new law is that in principle everybody is allowed > to perform medical actions. This freedom is then further limited by > law as I mentioned above. The purpose of this new law is to give the > patient the right to choose the health practitioner he/she feels is > most appriopriate for his medical condition. > > This law is put in practice in phases and is being regularly > reviewed. As far as I am aware of now there is no decree about the > profession of Acupuncturist or TCM. There is though some basic level > of WM-knowledge (anatomy, physiology and pathology) required to be > allowed to practice any of the regular or alternative medicines. > > What you see happening in practice is that there are several large > professional associations which licencate the (limited number of) > educational institutes of TCM and which hold the practitioners to > strict rules and regulations regarding the quality of the profession. > > The public look very much for practitioners belonging to such an > association and the insurance companies often only reimburse > treatments by practitioners who are a member of one of these > associations. > > No more Napoleonic systems anymore ;-). > > Alwin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2003 Report Share Posted August 25, 2003 i wonser whether this was mainly due to the foresight & practise of Van Buren an elder acupuncturist from holland who settled in UK. anand --- <attiliodalberto wrote: > Thank you Alwin, you are wuite right. The > Netherlands is a wonderful > liberal, open minded country and a great place to > live. I was making > reference to the rest of Europe. Actually, i believe > that it is in > the Nertherlands and the UK only that has a joint > degree run with > Beijing university teaching TCM in Europe. > > Attilio > > Chinese Medicine , > " Alwin van > Egmond " <@v...> wrote: > > Attilio > > > I believe that the UK is better than other > countries in Europe. > > > Apart from being more open minded the law is > quite different. A > > > large part of Europe is run by Napoleonic law > which means only > MD's > > > can practice any form of healthcare whilst in > the UK they don't > use > > > Napoleonic law for obvious reasons hence we high > a high number > of > > > alternative practices along with CM. > > > > Alwin: > > Since 1992 the Netherlands has a new law by which > it is no longer > > restricted to MD's to perform 'medical actions'. > > This new law provide protection for the use of > certain titles such > as > > doctor, dentist, pharmacist, clinical > psychologist, > psychotherapist, > > physiotherapist, obstetrician, nurse. Practioners > of these > > professions all have to be registered. The law > reserves the right > to > > perform certain medical actions for these 8 > professions:e.g. > surgical > > actions, obstetricianal actions, catheterisations > and endoscopies, > > punctions and injections, anaesthetisation, use of > radio-active > > substances or ionising radiation, cardioversion, > defibrilation, > > electroshock, stone pulverisation, artificial > insemination. > > > > By Order in Council / decree (don't know the > correct english word) > > there are additional medical professions which are > recognised by > law > > with a somewhat less severe protection and are > regulated in terms > of > > requirements of level and duration of the > education, > apprenticeship > > and examination and which regulate which are the > appropriate > actions, > > responsibilities and attitude for practitioners of > this profession. > > > > The basis of this new law is that in principle > everybody is > allowed > > to perform medical actions. This freedom is then > further limited > by > > law as I mentioned above. The purpose of this new > law is to give > the > > patient the right to choose the health > practitioner he/she feels > is > > most appriopriate for his medical condition. > > > > This law is put in practice in phases and is being > regularly > > reviewed. As far as I am aware of now there is no > decree about the > > profession of Acupuncturist or TCM. There is > though some basic > level > > of WM-knowledge (anatomy, physiology and > pathology) required to be > > allowed to practice any of the regular or > alternative medicines. > > > > What you see happening in practice is that there > are several large > > professional associations which licencate the > (limited number of) > > educational institutes of TCM and which hold the > practitioners to > > strict rules and regulations regarding the quality > of the > profession. > > > > The public look very much for practitioners > belonging to such an > > association and the insurance companies often only > reimburse > > treatments by practitioners who are a member of > one of these > > associations. > > > > No more Napoleonic systems anymore ;-). > > > > Alwin > > ===== Anand Bapat Pain Management Specialist Sports Injury Specialist Blacktown, Parramatta, Punchbowl, & Hammondville 0402 472 897 ______________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Messenger http://uk.messenger./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2003 Report Share Posted August 25, 2003 Actually, i believe the MSc TCM at Middlesex (UK) was set up by Henry Lee. Attilio Chinese Medicine , anand bapat <acubapat> wrote: > i wonser whether this was mainly due to the foresight > & practise of Van Buren an elder acupuncturist from > holland who settled in UK. > anand > > > > --- <attiliodalberto> > wrote: > Thank you Alwin, you are wuite right. The > > Netherlands is a wonderful > > liberal, open minded country and a great place to > > live. I was making > > reference to the rest of Europe. Actually, i believe > > that it is in > > the Nertherlands and the UK only that has a joint > > degree run with > > Beijing university teaching TCM in Europe. > > > > Attilio > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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