Guest guest Posted August 23, 2003 Report Share Posted August 23, 2003 Dear Alon, Let me apologise for my unnecessary response to your " cut and dry " commentary style. Suffice to say I believe apart from human defects such as politics and turf wars and so forth... That studying is the answer be one a western medical practitioner of some sort (which I believe are an interesting breed just like Chinese medicine practitioners... of some sort...are...) Was the only thing I wanted to convey. As for what I base my practices on, well, at times not even sure if I know... but it is not that cut and dry that you presumed: Alon: They are doing all the studies and therefore most of what you are gladly using every day to show how acup works is actually quoting their work Marco:????, See above AS for rethorics another ???? Like I have said in a previous letter the bus was assaulted and although they did not shoot at me personally, it left me a bit uptight. I studied Chinese medicine with the objective of going home to Guatemala everything I do is based on a belief that social (of which medicine is part of) injustices can not be accepted and Chinese medicine is but one way to try to participate so all nice talk about loving and kindness peace on earth and so forth actually becomes a reality... I am also aware that you are an hard working studying person, one whom I do which would come here to Guatemala. As you may or may not know I voluntar Wednesday and Thursdays Hospital rehabilitation and ortopedia, with the suicide case actually go there more days this week because my chief and supervisor and friend whom is a western doctor " wants/deems " the Chinese medicine treatment vital to her recovery because she is very human patient centre person. One of many that I hope to emulate. It unfortunately is not long term wise possible as I also need to work for a living (like every one on this list and beyond, that is way I dream of some sort of co-operation...). I also whish that you could come here so one could learn a lot of things and it certainly would be put into practice immediately... So let me end on the note forget my previous letter address to you Alon and do you have written material and or tapes that I can buy with regard to orthopaedic acupuncture and so forth? Ever consider holiday in Guatemala? - Marco Chinese Medicine Friday, August 22, 2003 8:16 PM Re: Digest Number 138 Dear alon, I believe we never meet...less you are the ghost in the mist... most of what I doing netier you nor other will have an idea as I will have no idea what you are doing... But if you are willing to come to Guatemala most welcome... better still if we meet:-) Nor did I say that anyone believes Two or three weekends are enough, nor do I know of any Chinese doctor or any sincere person concern with patient centre practice that believes so... So what your point? style stream? great I personally think and remain thinking so due to my personal life experience which are not only my immediate experience but that of ancestral and longitudinal as well as lateral experience (which of course is different from yours, so what is your point?) I clearly stated there are lazy practitioners of any origin... So what is your point... If you want to put in to practice what you preach well come here... Marco in Guatemala... Alon: May be we can take this discussion away from rhetoric and start showing were the beef is Alon Marco: If you want to put in to practice what you preach well come to Guatemala... - ALON MARCUS Chinese Medicine Friday, August 22, 2003 9:04 PM Re: Digest Number 138 Hence Chinese medicine wheatear we like it or not can not be relayed or conveyed two three or more weekends... >>>>I do not think any body ever said it does. I do not know of a single MD that thinks that. The question is how much time an allopathic trained MD, DO, ND etc. needs to practice their type of acupuncture? now that does not include any herbs. Now they can choose to use western type of theories from Voll, to Vaga, neuroanatomical etc. If they choose TCM style well i think it really depends on their motivation. I can tell that my wife for example can read a several hundred pg book for different surgical techniques and in one week be able to converse the material. From teaching for many years i can tell you that this will of attention and comprehension is not often found in our profession. And the more important question is can we have better outcomes besides high talk and back patting our self's. We do not have studies to show anything. They are doing all the studies and therefore most of what you are gladly using every day to show how acup works is actually quoting their work. May be we can take this discussion away from rhetoric and start showing were the beef is Alon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2003 Report Share Posted August 23, 2003 So let me end on the note forget my previous letter address to you Alon and do you have written material and or tapes that I can buy with regard to orthopaedic acupuncture and so forth? >>>>My book musculoskeletal disorders is one place, although i am almost finished with a second edition that will be much better with much more TCM. There is the work of Chen Gunn and Dr Wong from a more western perspective. But like all other types of somatic therapies they are best learned by apprenticeship. I do have a student and friend that is considering going to Guatemala for Spanish study if he does i will have him contact you. When our kids are a little bigger we are going to go to Chile and we might stop in central America again. Alon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 24, 2003 Report Share Posted August 24, 2003 Dear Alon, I'll will wait till your second edition is available and when it is, maybe I can buy a sign copy? Thanks for the books suggestion as well... Alon: I do have a student and friend that is considering going to Guatemala for Spanish study if he does i will have him contact you. When our kids are a little bigger we are going to go to Chile and we might stop in central America again. Alon Marco: If your friend does go to Guatemala maybe I can be of help with where to stay and study and so forth... If you do go to Chile and have a possibility to stop over in Guatemala looking forward to your visit... Marco Bergh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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