Apology for Multiple copies RE: Re:TCM Pracitioners teaching western doctors...

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Something went wrong with my email system. 3 copies of the same was not my

intention. Sam.

ga.bates [ga.bates]

22 August 2003 16:08

Chinese Medicine

RE: Re:TCM Pracitioners teaching western doctors...

 

 

 

I am sorry but I have to disagree with the writer below for a couple of

reasons.

 

1st Reason: The " behaviour " on this list has not been " derisive,

condescending " as she claims. It has in fact been pretty civilised from

what

I have read on some TCM lists. We need this kind of exchange since

discussion is the life blood of an email list.

 

2nd Reason: Western medicine and the institutions and infrastructure which

support it is HUGELY CORRUPT. There may be good docs out there as Marco in

Guatemala reported, wish there were more, but there aren't. Just do a

Google

search on > Lupron scandal < to see what I mean.

 

3rd Reason: WM is HUGELY IGNORANT. It has at best 500 year old knowledge

base built up from our colonial experience on the gun decks of ships,

where

barbers would clear away the dead and dying and make way for the next

cannon

volley. TCM has thousands of years of knowhow by comparison.

 

Just today I was talking to a gentleman whose son has severe colitis and

IBS. His NHS Consultant said the patient did not have to restrict his diet

in any way. Can you believe that ? But it is true, and I know because I

have

personally had an identical experience from a NHS Consultant. These people

do not heal, they simply preside over the patients deterioration and

ultimate demise & at great expense too for they get paid a fortune for

doing

bugger all most of the time.

 

Sammy.

 

 

Lynn Detamore [healthworks]

22 August 2003 10:30

Chinese Medicine

Re:TCM Pracitioners teaching western doctors...

 

 

i really do not understand the need for some of the derisive,

condescending

behavior exhibited by some group members. come on, let's be decent to one

another. presumably, we are all adults here, eh? the days of 'medical

deities' are over, save those vestiges of ego that do exist in white

coats.

it certainly is not fair to label the whole conventional medical

establishment, nor any other profession, on the backs of those few

self-righteous. those folks exist in every profession, including chinese

medicine. we are all here to help patients. let's review some sesame

street

ethics, and recall examples of cooperation.

 

if an md or do takes a short course in chinese medicine and learns enough

to

make good referrals in our directions, we only lose out if they don't

already have our names and faces in their repetoire of connections!

 

i also don't understand the notion of doctors getting paid 'big money' for

medicare services. in real healthcare life no professional or patient can

put 'big money' and 'medicare' in the same sentence, except to state that

if

doctors bill medicare, they'll never see much money, let along big money!

 

it used to be that medical practices put caps on how many medicare

patients

they could take, sometimes expressed as a percentage of their patient

base.

at that point, they would not take more medicare patients. ah, but things

are very different now. the present trend is that medical practices stop

billing medicare altogether, meaning that their medicare patients have to

go

elsewhere.

 

doctors get screwed by medicare. those few exceptions, the more

computerized

information is, sometimes end up in jail, or at least with no more medical

practice. anyone see the 60 minute episode about the cardiologist and

thoracic surgeon in redding, california? from someone who knew both of

those

doctors professionally, i am told they they were really nice guys. but,

they

must have been a little full of themselves, enough to think it was ethical

to screw the system by which they felt screwed. remember karma, and the

golden rule?