Guest guest Posted August 22, 2003 Report Share Posted August 22, 2003 Agree, Patient canter is an interesting premise and the one to go. How are you? I wonder can we start a dialogue about possible co-operation here in Guatemala City? Of list if you like. I am still in zone 18 we as part of the class we are doing basic meditation and basic qi gong as well as emphasising self massage. The first principle of the class apart form aiming to convey Chinese medical practices bases as much as possible on The Chinese medicine phenomena, is what can the patients do in there spear time? The hospital is okay, really ought to be there every day set up permitting. The " type " of patients I see there are: Rehabilitation - due to shoot wounds and accidents as well as (although have not really treated any yet) disabled children. Old age people whom are severely disable and with open skin ulcers. And in the out patient department an mixture of emotional to very " structural " . On one in ward post surgery there is a young girl whom have tried to take her life five times whom now is being treated with Chinese medicine (although we do not have access to Chinese materia medica, and I am slowly trying to understand the local materia medica (more about that in a future letter). The parents will probably buy moxa otherwise needles and moxa as well as other Chinese medicine utilities are scares indeed. On Wednesday morning do some qi gong at the hospital and have started to some meditation with patients whom are surprisingly keen on doing meditation - always try to develop self massage and " self " help. Treat from home supposedly privet practice but often end up not charging because here it is difficult to charge people whom only earns 300-900 quitzales a month within the capital (or nothing!). Of course I have some patients that can pay (usually the very rich try not to pay strange phenomena indeed?) One " dream " is to be able to attend patient at least five times a week with out worrying whether they can afford it or not and of course always in a public and / or community orientated sense. I will probably start a class of Chinese medicine again maybe with a Colombian person, had one previously but did not work out they did not want to study and I had no previous experience in conveying Chinese medicine. Anyway this time round have planted the objectives on written paper and will insist that no one can practice before their fare share of community orientated practice. Something that would be very good to develop in Guatemala would be Tui nai (as a general term and specific). Japanese acumoxa, various Korean and Vietnamese styles as well as Taiwanese and Chinese streams (to borrow volkers term of " schools " ) and of course further and deeper understanding of all aspects of Chinese medicine including language learning. Hence one way of cooperation could be educational one apart from other aspects. I believe that developing a profession here is the way to go but would like to hear what your experience is and so forth... Hope to hear from you... Marco Ps. My supervisor at the hospital is a western medical doctor whom more or less tries all the time not to treat with synthetic drugs and is so patient center that she actually lives in poverty. For GUMAP I think she would be a great spirited contact, She is one of the most advance practitioners I have seen, and hope to be able to emulate her heartness with regard to practicing Chinese medicine. Pss. (to anyone reading this) I have said it before and will again: Guatemala is a great place as a short term " tourist " and if your profession is Chinese medicine just visiting us would be a great help... We are always appreciative of any Chinese medicine books that can be donated Which I must again thank paradigm And James Ramholz... Psss... The oterday I heard a nun re-laying what happen in Rabinal I cry but it one more reason that I believe emotionally Chinese medicine can do so much not just here in Guatemala... It was about a woman who could not found her dead child by the traitors state army and in a dream she could and the child was thanking her and now they could " rest " , this is something common and I always need to apologise when at times I send emotionally strange letters mainly to CHA. Thus hope you will overlook such anomalies of letters... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2003 Report Share Posted August 22, 2003 Marco: It was about a woman who could not found her dead child by the traitors state army and in a dream she could and the child was thanking her and now they could " rest " , this is something common and I always need to apologise when at times I send emotionally strange letters mainly to CHA. Thus hope you will overlook such anomalies of letters... Attilio: please NEVER apologise for these wonderful letters. L love to hear stuff like this. It always reminds me of the important things in life! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 24, 2003 Report Share Posted August 24, 2003 marco, i hink you bnever nee to apologise not to this group & not to anybody. you are doing fantastic humanitarian work. i am sure very few people have done what youa re doing. the people who do not understand your work are the ones whoa re sitting at the computer & never seen real issues like life death, suffering etc. so please do not apologise & keep your mail comeins. anand --- <attiliodalberto wrote: > Marco: It was about a woman who could not found her > dead child by the > traitors state army and in a dream she could and the > child was > thanking her and now they could " rest " , this is > something common and > I always need to apologise when at times I send > emotionally strange > letters mainly to CHA. Thus hope you will overlook > such anomalies of > letters... > > Attilio: please NEVER apologise for these wonderful > letters. L love > to hear stuff like this. It always reminds me of the > important things > in life! > > > ===== Anand Bapat Pain Management Specialist Sports Injury Specialist Blacktown, Parramatta, Punchbowl, & Hammondville 0402 472 897 ______________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Messenger http://uk.messenger./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2003 Report Share Posted August 25, 2003 Estimado Marco, Marco <bergh wrote: >I wonder can we start a dialogue about possible co-operation here in Guatemala City?< Disculpeme, but my time has been taken by moving my clinic. I would like to find a way for you to connect with GUAMAP in the peten and also for me/us to perhaps help with your project in la Ciudad. >I am still in zone 18 we as part of the class we are doing basic meditation and basic qi gong as well as emphasising self massage.< I teach Ch'i Kung and may be able to help with this as well >Treat from home supposedly privet practice but often end up not charging because here it is difficult to charge people whom only earns 300-900 quitzales a month within the capital (or nothing!).< In la Selva Maya Itza Peten the average family i treat lives on 240 Q (US$30) a month mas o menos, so, i understand the reallity. In my Denver practice i also see many who can not afford health care costs. > (usually the very rich try not to pay strange phenomena indeed?)< It is the same everywhere. I find this with my patients and in the broader society. [Here in the USA the top 1% in wealth tend not to pay taxes and their friends in DC keep giving them more breaks and often outright gifts of our taxes.] >I will probably start a class of Chinese medicine again maybe with a Colombian person, had one previously but did not work out they did not want to study and I had no previous experience in conveying Chinese medicine. Anyway this time round have planted the objectives on written paper and will insist that no one can practice before their fare share of community orientated practice.< I would be happy to review your curriculum and help in any way i am able. Somos la misma familia, Doc >Ps. My supervisor at the hospital is a western medical doctor whom more or less tries all the time not to treat with synthetic drugs and is so patient center that she actually lives in poverty. For GUMAP I think she would be a great spirited contact, She is one of the most advance practitioners I have seen, and hope to be able to emulate her heartness with regard to practicing Chinese medicine.< I'm passing this along to our GUAMAP Coordinator >Pss... The oterday I heard a nun re-laying what happen in Rabinal I cry but it one more reason that I believe emotionally Chinese medicine can do so much not just here in Guatemala... It was about a woman who could not found her dead child by the traitors state army and in a dream she could and the child was thanking her and now they could " rest " , this is something common and I always need to apologise when at times I send emotionally strange letters mainly to CHA. Thus hope you will overlook such anomalies of letters...< IMHO You would only need to appologize if such injustice did not make you upset on a human/emotional level. True security must be rooted in true and complete social, economic and environmental justice for everyone everywhere with no exceptions. Anything else is an illusion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2003 Report Share Posted August 26, 2003 Good Morning doc and list... Doc: I would like to find a way for you to connect with GUAMAP in the peten and also for me/us to perhaps help with your project in la Ciudad. Marco: The project in the city is on one hand very " irregular " , mainly my self volunteering time a set up which in the long run is not sustainable development. But I would definitively be open to any kind of help. For example if you know of anyone that is good in articulating and presentation. I been meaning to write more coherently of what I actually do... I believe with the right presentation there probably are people maybe that would want to help out in various forms. I may be going to Sweden and UK next year and am thinking of fund razing maybe do something (Jump of a cliff or marathon sponsorship, any ideas?) If via your self and or GUAMAP we could receive paid volunteers in the city would be great because even if I personally could not be funded via say GUAMAP but other people could. Thus having an more regular influx of practitioners of Chinese medicine, which could teach us here more advance and different ways of understanding Chinese medicine and hence contributing to long term development, also I would feel less " lonely " . Also would need people to actually see the potential that I see: Chinese medicine taking over the world! (Joke:-) Well is to early to say in what ways... Doc: I teach Ch'i Kung and may be able to help with this as well Marco: If you could come to the city and teach Qi Gong! We could organise for hospitals to have some basic coursers for the Ministry of health to have some coursers and more importantly people that would want to continue developing this fascinating aspect of human life (it never sees to amaze me how the healing arts of Asia where develop. What would make one in the first place insert a sharp object to instigate a healing process?; one of the reasons why Chinese medicine is not just empirical...) I could learn more and continue practice this in zone 18 and so forth... LOOKING FORWARD TO MEET YOU IF POSSIBLE... Doc: I would be happy to review your curriculum and help in any way I am able. Marco: would be very useful. What I have done so fare is looking at Australian and Canadian sites where they have in fairly in-depth (or very in-depth in my opinion) out line core curriculum minimum competence and so forth... Also one place in Sweden that seem to have a Chinese connection (forget where) have listed 203 (206) acumoxa places that one needs to know about. Of course we do not really have the human skills yet to make it a really good course (The Colombian person is heading for USA, where the streets are paved with gold, another joke). I do not speak Chinese for example but learning it will have to be part of the process. The main objective of the course will be: Learning how to think Chinese medicine as much as possible. If it the course actually does materialise then that would be an natural expression for having an community orientated practice where in the long term one could send people for their practice to communities out side the city as well. Where I naively had the desire to practice but there as you know, it is even less of a possibility of combining private practice to try to sustain book purchasing, day to day living and so forth... Besides one needs to learn a Guatemalan language (kichee in my case...) Marco Ps. The course whatever else it does will try to develop the understanding that Japan Korea Vietnam, Taiwan and China (have I missed a country?) has daunting wealth of knowledge and knowing as well as experience... with regard to Chinese medicine... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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