TCM - TCM Pracitioner teaching western doctors - who are ...

[Guest guest]

Alon

 

Give it up...you obviously haven't seen an MD with a medicare business

running the acupuncture scam. Or better yet.....I am giving up on these time

consuming discussions with those who obviously either don;t wish to see it or

don't

understand it.

 

I am a person of ACTION and have more important things to do rather than

discuss ad nauseum with those who will not see with their eyes or hear with

their

ears.

 

It's interesting to note....that Malony opens up his mouth and then drops

into the darkness and you pop in.

 

Richard

 

 

 

> and that

> means office visit)...

> >>>You mean they are getting reach on $20 office visits. You can only bill

> for routine if you are seeing somebody often

> Alon

>

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Since 1994 I have been using these skills and developing them. Overall in all

myofascial/osetofascial syndromes.....over 10,000 times. So be sarcastic all

you want. I'll tell you what - want to put your money where your sarcasm is?

Put up as much money as you can afford ON THE LINE and I'll prove it.

 

 

 

In a message dated 8/21/2003 11:32:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

alonmarcus writes:

 

> the typical carpal

> tunnel syndrome (even those ready for surgical intervention) in 1 to 2

> treatments,

> <<<<Ye I am sure you can, how many times have you done this

> alon

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I think, Vanessa, it is more about which side one is willing to line-up on.

There are those who line up with the (MDs) Medical Deities even though they are

trained as APs. Maybe they are so used to being subservient. For me slavery

has never been a possibility or an option and never will.

 

You know the old saying....'put up or shut up'? Well let's see who is willing

to risk their money instead of what issues forth from their mouths. For all

the years I have been quite........and now what I hold is an accumulation of

over 10,000 treatments worth of REAL experience in my hands. I am finished

debating with those who think they know everything and do not wish to upgrade

their

knowledge and experience.

 

Since Attilio invited me here, I thought this was going to be a great

experience but so far these last e-mail threads we have seen is nothing compared

to

the high calibre of PA-L members and for me as a long time member.....I prefer

it (not that I ever left).

Richard

 

 

 

>

>

> I know you can do it , and I am very thankfull that guys like you can stand

> for the experience and realizations within this field of medicine. and I know

> many would just talk ,but in time to prove the fact will just leave the

> table. Is to bad we have to challenge our colleagues in the profession, but

some

> need a spanking )

> Vanessa

>

>

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I know you can do it , and I am very thankfull that guys like you can stand for

the experience and realizations within this field of medicine. and I know many

would just talk ,but in time to prove the fact will just leave the table. Is to

bad we have to challenge our colleagues in the profession, but some need a

spanking )

Vanessa

 

 

>>

acudoc11 wrote:

Since 1994 I have been using these skills and developing them. Overall in all

myofascial/osetofascial syndromes.....over 10,000 times. So be sarcastic all

you want. I'll tell you what - want to put your money where your sarcasm is?

Put up as much money as you can afford ON THE LINE and I'll prove it.

 

 

 

In a message dated 8/21/2003 11:32:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

alonmarcus writes:

 

> the typical carpal

> tunnel syndrome (even those ready for surgical intervention) in 1 to 2

> treatments,

> <<<<Ye I am sure you can, how many times have you done this

> alon

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

hi, i agree with aot of things youa re saying.but now

let us leave all that crap discussion & se if e can

also gain clinically. some questions for afew of you

who have interest in these areas.

i am an acupuncturist & natural therapist. i practise

shiva,mmbu & have been using it for good results.

some recent developments in my mind has lead to a few

questions.

please see if you have any answers or comments.

1. why is urine sometimes cool when it flows out of

the body. generally it is warm to hot.it has been

observed to be so more in the mornings, on some

occassions. have not had any observations during the

day a yet. what could be the cause & why would it

happen sometimes only.

2. what is the cause of phantom pain after an

amputation. we have been told it is the nerves that

cause the problem as they haev been cut. but this does

not happen in nerve injuries when the nerve has been

cut. we only get a clean paralysis or lack of

sensation, NO PHANTOM PAIN.

neither does this happen in back & neck injuries whne

herves are dmaged.

could this be due to the time taken for the

acupuncture meridians whicha re still active

energically to get systemitised in their circulation

pattern. does the pain reduce & disappear once the

energies have stabilised.

can this be remedied by a better operation where

acupuncturists can guide the flap to be sutured in

line with the meridians such that the circulation gets

normal quicker. thus the pain may improve quickly or

become non existent.

please comment freely.

thanks all

anand

 

 

 

 

 

 

--- acudoc11 wrote: > I think, Vanessa, it is

more about which side one is

> willing to line-up on.

> There are those who line up with the (MDs) Medical

> Deities even though they are

> trained as APs. Maybe they are so used to being

> subservient. For me slavery

> has never been a possibility or an option and never

> will.

>

> You know the old saying....'put up or shut up'? Well

> let's see who is willing

> to risk their money instead of what issues forth

> from their mouths. For all

> the years I have been quite........and now what I

> hold is an accumulation of

> over 10,000 treatments worth of REAL experience in

> my hands. I am finished

> debating with those who think they know everything

> and do not wish to upgrade their

> knowledge and experience.

>

> Since Attilio invited me here, I thought this was

> going to be a great

> experience but so far these last e-mail threads we

> have seen is nothing compared to

> the high calibre of PA-L members and for me as a

> long time member.....I prefer

> it (not that I ever left).

> Richard

>

>

>

> >

> >

> > I know you can do it , and I am very thankfull

> that guys like you can stand

> > for the experience and realizations within this

> field of medicine. and I know

> > many would just talk ,but in time to prove the

> fact will just leave the

> > table. Is to bad we have to challenge our

> colleagues in the profession, but some

> > need a spanking )

> > Vanessa

> >

> >

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

 

=====

Anand Bapat

Pain Management Specialist

Sports Injury Specialist

Blacktown, Parramatta, Punchbowl, & Hammondville

0402 472 897

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

I would say hang in there might get better, at least

the name of the group is TCM.

I hope to find some interesting subjcts here, but I

have to say that I can handle this Denial that comes

from our profession when i comes to MD's and their

so-called scientific based medicine.

Lets grow up and see what is Real about those guys and

their practice. And not saying they all fall within

this White elephant role, but like many here said

many of them with a few in between.

Vanessa

>

> Since Attilio invited me here, I thought this was

> going to be a great

> experience but so far these last e-mail threads we

> have seen is nothing compared to

> the high calibre of PA-L members and for me as a

> long time member.....I prefer

> it (not that I ever left).

> Richard

>

>

>

> >

> >

> > I know you can do it , and I am very thankfull

> that guys like you can stand

> > for the experience and realizations within this

> field of medicine. and I know

> > many would just talk ,but in time to prove the

> fact will just leave the

> > table. Is to bad we have to challenge our

> colleagues in the profession, but some

> > need a spanking )

> > Vanessa

> >

> >

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Richard,

 

myofascial/osetofascial syndromes

 

do you mind articulating more on these " syndromes " (patiants subjectives and or

objectives compliants and being as well as in chinese medicine terms).

 

Do you use Chinese medicine as the infra structure or?

 

I am asking because would like to know more about the treatment style-stream

that you are part of and developing...

 

Marco

 

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acudoc11

Chinese Medicine

Thursday, August 21, 2003 10:37 PM

Re: Re: TCM Pracitioner teaching western doctors - who

are ...

 

 

Since 1994 I have been using these skills and developing them. Overall in all

myofascial/osetofascial syndromes.....over 10,000 times.