TCM - TCM Pracitioner teaching western doctors - who are th...

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Alon

 

First of all I DID NOT attack YOU or anyone - just the real hard-core

issues.........so why do you attempt to insult or attack me? You know the old

story

of those who point the finger at a person have 3 pointing back at themselves.

 

So let's deal with your statements which clearly lacks ANY understanding. You

seem to have been busy over the years working with the MDs and writing books

and that's great all the while, I've been in the real world of politics in the

profession.

 

The issue has NEVER been about whether or not an AP would actually bill

Medicare but in FACT about APs being THE PRIMARY -> 'STATUTORY PROVIDER' for

acupuncture in this country. And if YOU don't want to see that happen.....maybe

it

shows that you are too deeply involved with the MDs and just maybe you are one

of those who trains them in the 100 hour programs.

 

Then there is the REAL issue that when APs become the STATUTORY medicare

providers of Acupuncture....ALL the reimbursement carriers will be forced to no

longer discriminate against the profession. Don't you want to see that for all

your struggling colleagues?

 

Either your response was an attempt to side track the real issues here OR I

can't believe you are that naieve.

 

Richard

 

 

 

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> 'We' (a very interesting word) need to do much more than just letting these

> docs 'know'. Please do tell the 'AP/OM world of qualified practitioners' (at

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> least here) what the AAOM has done in the last ten years and is DOING TODAY,

> to stop these week-end warriors from becoming exactly what they are

> doing...which

> is taking over the profession???????

> >>>I cant believe how insecure you are. Nobody is taken over our profession

> Alon

 

 

 

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Alon

 

One more thing.

 

Let's assume your premise for the moment for whatever that's worth or

means...............why would it be a problem to once-and-for-all SECURE these

rights

and benefits for all APs in the United States?

 

The worst that could then be said would be that Richard Freiberg was over

cautious?

 

If you think I am insecure.....that's ONLY your opinion. There are at the

moment thousands of APs who think otherwise. You know those APs who either never

joined the other national orgs or who are certainly running in the other

direction now that they are hearing truth.

 

I only feel sorry for you'all if the profession fails at this.

 

Richard

 

 

 

 

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So let's deal with your statements which clearly lacks ANY understanding. You

seem to have been busy over the years working with the MDs and writing books

and that's great all the while, I've been in the real world of politics in the

profession.

>>>I mean the attitude not you personally. This fear that we are going to be

taken over is way over blown and shows a strong lack of confidence in the OM

profession. By the way I was on AAOM board and am aware of politics.

 

The issue has NEVER been about whether or not an AP would actually bill

Medicare but in FACT about APs being THE PRIMARY

 

>>>I am not sure what you are saying here. The bill may be a different bill than

I am aware of. I am talking about the Medicare statues (in creating pay scales)

that would force a national rate of reimbursements. At the same time there is no

way the we will be able to take away practice rights from MDs

 

 

maybe it

shows that you are too deeply involved with the MDs and just maybe you are one

of those who trains them in the 100 hour programs.

 

>>>>I never have taught acupuncture to MDs i usually teach orthopedic medicine,

but at the same time i would have no problems doing so. It is ridiculous to say

that these people are selling their soles. Are you selling yours when you study

biomed, is the MDs that teach in OM schools selling theirs?

Alon

 

 

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why would it be a problem to once-and-for-all SECURE these rights

and benefits for all APs in the United States?

 

>>>>I am for securing all the rights possible. However, there is no way we will

redefine the practice acts of MDs

Alon

 

 

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Also, you will never find MDs providing acupuncture and billing Medicare. The

only reason they get into acupuncture is to get out of the system.

Alon