TCM - TCM Pracitioner teaching western doctors - who are they?

[Guest guest]

I've found that the vast majority of docs that take short courses in any

aspect of OM end up referring, while there are certainly a number of unethical

ones that will treat and screw up patients. It is my contention that we need to

let docs know that they are being screwed as consumers when they take these

courses.

DAvid Molony

 

 

> Attilio

>

> Agreed....that some sell their sould for the fast buck and in the end hurt

> the profession by doing this week-end warrior training. Unfortunately there

> will always be people like that.

>

> On a good note - there is no question that the high majority of attendees of

> those quickie courses can never be any good and if there is any consolat

> ion...they represent other healthcare modalities such as MDs, DOs, DCs, etc.

> Anytime I have ever heard from a patient that acupuncture didn't work....after

> asking them WHO did they see....the answer seems to always be an MD, DO or

> DC.....to which I reply the obvious.

>

> There is an old advertising cliche....'you've been to the rest - now come to

> the best'.

>

> Richard

>

>

> Sammy: One wonder who it is who trains and accredits these MD's on

> their weekend acupuncture courses ? These people, who evidently know

> about TCM and acupuncture at a highly refined and professional level,

> are prostituting their skill and exploiting this venerable knowledge

> base for a fast buck in a very _unprofessional_ way.  I suggest if

> any butt is to be kicked it is theirs

>

> Atti: Acutally i know one of these TCM doctors who is selling his

> soul, as it were. He's a lecture at mdx!

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Mr. David Malony

 

We have known each other since 1998 when the AAOM's 'DOM-project' fiasco

happened where the AAOM did NOT wind up supporting the highest level(s) of

certification. That action was not very supportive for the advancement of the

profession although no one ever heard the official AAOM reason for dumping an

excellent but very expensive project that was 2 months away from being a

reality.

 

From it's inception all the way up until 2001 the NCCAOM, ALLOWED all these

'week-end' warriors with 100 hours of education to become Nationally Board

Certified Diplomates in Acupuncture and these same docs put their certifications

side by side all the legitimate trained APs and expect everyone to believe

there is some equality.

 

The AAOM by its actions in some sort of involvement seems to be primarily

working with the AMAs (apparently monopolistic) wholly owned company called CPT

regarding a critical issue of coding for AP/OM practitioners while barely and

only recently and only very slightly supporting Alternative Link's ABC Codes.

As you well remember, in 1998 in San Francisco, the AAOM board practicly

through tomatoes at the President of Alternative Link when she presented the

case

for support. And up until recently when maybe there was no other way but to show

some little support, the AAOM has been, behind the scenes, against the ABC

Codes and correct me if I am wrong.....is also, behind the scenes, against the

Federal Acupuncture Bill. Again.....not very supportive positions for the

advancement of the profession.

 

Of more recent vintage....the AAOM is flirting with very dangerous aspects of

attempting to have acupuncture approved for Federal employees which logically

and legally appears would ONLY bring business to exactly these kind of poorly

trained docs and bring NO business to the real 'qualified acupuncturists'.

 

Please EXPLAIN why the AAOM has NOT come out and fully supported the Hinchey

Federal Acupuncture Bill HR1477 which would finally give FULL recognition to

the real 'qualified acupuncturists' and actually knock down a peg or two or

possibly not even federally recognize these poorly trained. This is where the

REAL EFFECTIVE work takes place instead of just letting people 'know'.

 

Is it that the AAOM does not support the well trained and best qualified

acupuncturists who are it's members and give it money?

 

'We' (a very interesting word) need to do much more than just letting these

docs 'know'. Please do tell the 'AP/OM world of qualified practitioners' (at

least here) what the AAOM has done in the last ten years and is DOING TODAY, to

stop these week-end warriors from becoming exactly what they are doing...which

is taking over the profession???????

 

An organization such as the AAOM which has been around since 1981 should have

been able to accomplish much more and can still DO if it really wanted to.

 

AOMNC was formed in March 2003 and a NEW national AP/OM coalition since there

was obviously a dire need for it........ and has and is still growing in huge

leaps and bounds on a national basis. AOMNC is truly behind ONLY the

'qualified acupuncturists' and NOT supportive of week-end warriors. AOMNC is

1000%

behind the Federal Acupuncture Bill.

 

It is ALSO interesting for the profession to take serious NOTE that NONE of

the controlling organizations (AAOM, Alliance, NCCAOM, CCAOM, ACAOM) who call

themselves 'steering' or 'visioning' task force, SUPPORT the Federal

Acupuncture Bill. None of them suppoort the REAL... OMD degree. They support

(because

it's what their business are made up of) the funky Masters level and the new

non-PhD doctoral research degrees. Seems that those in control DO NOT want the

advancement of the profession and anti to their businesses.

 

Verbal answers to this are meaningless and just rhetoric. Let the AP/OM

profession see the FULL support in ACTION in the correct and only direction.

 

Richard A. Freiberg, OMD, NMD

Founder/Director AOMNC

<A HREF= " www.aomnc.com " >www.aomnc.com</A>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

In a message dated 8/21/2003 12:32:30 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

acuman1 writes:

 

> I've found that the vast majority of docs that take short courses in any

> aspect of OM end up referring, while there are certainly a number of

> unethical

> ones that will treat and screw up patients. It is my contention that we need

> to

> let docs know that they are being screwed as consumers when they take these

> courses.

> DAvid Molony

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

'We' (a very interesting word) need to do much more than just letting these

docs 'know'. Please do tell the 'AP/OM world of qualified practitioners' (at

least here) what the AAOM has done in the last ten years and is DOING TODAY, to

stop these week-end warriors from becoming exactly what they are doing...which

is taking over the profession???????

>>>I cant believe how insecure you are. Nobody is taken over our profession

Alon

 

 

[Guest guest]

the Federal

Acupuncture Bill

>>>Perhaps because not all of us want to work for $15 per visit

Alon

 

 

[Guest guest]

if we really want to publicise cm then we should run

lots of weekend courses as introduction to cm. the

content should be adequate for referral only.

NO CERTIFICATE SHOULD BE ISSUED. THAT WILL SORT OUT

THE PEOPLE EASILY.

anand

 

--- acuman1 wrote: > I've found that the vast

majority of docs that take

> short courses in any

> aspect of OM end up referring, while there are

> certainly a number of unethical

> ones that will treat and screw up patients. It is my

> contention that we need to

> let docs know that they are being screwed as

> consumers when they take these

> courses.

> DAvid Molony

>

>

> > Attilio

> >

> > Agreed....that some sell their sould for the fast

> buck and in the end hurt

> > the profession by doing this week-end warrior

> training. Unfortunately there

> > will always be people like that.

> >

> > On a good note - there is no question that the

> high majority of attendees of

> > those quickie courses can never be any good and if

> there is any consolat

> > ion...they represent other healthcare modalities

> such as MDs, DOs, DCs, etc.

> > Anytime I have ever heard from a patient that

> acupuncture didn't work....after

> > asking them WHO did they see....the answer seems

> to always be an MD, DO or

> > DC.....to which I reply the obvious.

> >

> > There is an old advertising cliche....'you've been

> to the rest - now come to

> > the best'.

> >

> > Richard

> >

> >

> > Sammy: One wonder who it is who trains and

> accredits these MD's on

> > their weekend acupuncture courses ? These people,

> who evidently know

> > about TCM and acupuncture at a highly refined and

> professional level,

> > are prostituting their skill and exploiting this

> venerable knowledge

> > base for a fast buck in a very _unprofessional_

> way.  I suggest if

> > any butt is to be kicked it is theirs

> >

> > Atti: Acutally i know one of these TCM doctors who

> is selling his

> > soul, as it were. He's a lecture at mdx!

> >

> >

> >

> >