Guest guest Posted August 16, 2003 Report Share Posted August 16, 2003 In a message dated 8/16/03 7:24:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time, vbirang writes: Why this group don't interact more with the Pa-l group so we can all benefit from the exchanges in the idea process modern verses traditional and their values? Hi Vanessa, What is the Pa-I group? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2003 Report Share Posted August 17, 2003 Seems to me that this group has a more based on Traditional Medicine fundaments. Why this group don't interact more with the Pa-l group so we can all benefit from the exchanges in the idea process modern verses traditional and their values? Vanessa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2003 Report Share Posted August 17, 2003 more with the Pa-l group >>>What's this? alon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2003 Report Share Posted August 17, 2003 Chinese Medicine , " Alon Marcus " <alonmarcus@w...> wrote: > more with the Pa-l group > >>>What's this? > alon I just did a search. The PA-l is the Professional Acupunture List on . pa-l/ Alwin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2003 Report Share Posted August 17, 2003 Chinese Medicine , wrote: > Seems to me that this group has a more based on Traditional Medicine fundaments. > Why this group don't interact more with the Pa-l group so we can all benefit from the exchanges in the idea process modern verses traditional and their values? > Vanessa > > hi, i think you should ask moderator's opinion first before you post this article. syho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2003 Report Share Posted August 18, 2003 Well I'm all for it personally. I'm already a member of the Pa-1 group and have posted a few messages recently which I also posted on this group, so I am trying to bring the two closer together. It will be interesting to hear what modern western acupuncture can offer traditional CM. At the moment I understand that modern practitioners have only undertaken a weekend course in acupuncture. They seem to use a lot of Ashi points in treating pain, which is reasonable enough as the Nei Jing does state, `where there's pain there is an acupuncture point'. So I'm gonna try and keep an open mind and hear what they have to say. Let's all hope we can learn something from each other. Attilio Chinese Medicine , " syho_real " <syho@a...> wrote: > Chinese Medicine , > wrote: > > Seems to me that this group has a more based on Traditional Medicine > fundaments. > > Why this group don't interact more with the Pa-l group so we can all > benefit from the exchanges in the idea process modern verses > traditional and their values? > > Vanessa > > > > > > > hi, > > i think you should ask moderator's opinion first before you post this > article. > > > syho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2003 Report Share Posted August 18, 2003 Alon - I believe we are in agreement. I would just like to add.....that as the ping-pong ball (debate) goes back and forth...explanations from segmental understanding and biomechanics and the subset of acupuncture called 'dry needling' as applied by 'medical acupuncturists'....can be as easily explained by an even deeper understanding or should I say 'clearer' understanding AND application of all of the therapies as found in classical chinese medicine and the more recent westernized modification called TCM. The same is true for TCM'ers not understanding biomechanics as it is for non-TCMers not understanding the essence of oriental medicine. First there needs be 'understanding' and then 'incorporation'. Both perspectives are valid and the greatest for the patient and the practitioner is the inclusion of all perspectives. Richard Richard Freiberg, OMD, NMD Founder/Director AOMNC www.aomnc.com In a message dated 8/18/2003 10:44:50 AM Eastern Daylight Time, alonmarcus writes: It will be interesting to hear what modern western acupuncture can offer traditional CM. >>>Many effective techniques, from segmental understanding to increase analgesia, circulation, stimulation or inhibition of both somatic and visceral functions. Understanding of biomechaniques that can than be treated with dry needling and much more. Not knowing is not the same as it is not there Alon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2003 Report Share Posted August 18, 2003 It will be interesting to hear what modern western acupuncture can offer traditional CM. >>>Many effective techniques, from segmental understanding to increase analgesia, circulation, stimulation or inhibition of both somatic and visceral functions. Understanding of biomechaniques that can than be treated with dry needling and much more. Not knowing is not the same as it is not there Alon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2003 Report Share Posted August 18, 2003 In a message dated 8/18/2003 2:33:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, vbirang writes: The biological understanding of the immunse system process coming from european doctors. The importance of the Spleen in this process. This in my opinion can add to the importance of the spleen as in TCM. Care to elaborate on what you have read? Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2003 Report Share Posted August 18, 2003 The biological understanding of the immunse system process coming from european doctors. The importance of the Spleen in this process. This in my opinion can add to the importance of the spleen as in TCM. The understanding of ex: Spleen western pysiology and pulse in a deeper sense for immunologial circunstances. I am not saying modern verses traditional but some of the information from the western view can add better understanding on the overall tx for certain conditions. Just my opinion. Vanessa>>Alon Marcus <alonmarcus wrote: It will be interesting to hear what modern western acupuncture can offer traditional CM. >>>Many effective techniques, from segmental understanding to increase analgesia, circulation, stimulation or inhibition of both somatic and visceral functions. Understanding of biomechaniques that can than be treated with dry needling and much more. Not knowing is not the same as it is not there AlonFor practitioners, students and those interested in TCM. Membership requires that you do not post any commerical, religious, spam messages or flame another member. If you want to change the way you receive email message, i.e. individually, daily digest or none, then visit the groups’ homepage: Chinese Medicine/ Click ‘edit my membership' on the right hand side and adjust accordingly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2003 Report Share Posted August 18, 2003 Questions like the one you brought it up is very important to post on PA-l. This will force some of the more modern cookbook practitioners to argue the deepthness of the two different worlds in a way. Vanessa>> <attiliodalberto wrote: Well I'm all for it personally. I'm already a member of the Pa-1 group and have posted a few messages recently which I also posted on this group, so I am trying to bring the two closer together.It will be interesting to hear what modern western acupuncture can offer traditional CM. At the moment I understand that modern practitioners have only undertaken a weekend course in acupuncture. They seem to use a lot of Ashi points in treating pain, which is reasonable enough as the Nei Jing does state, `where there's pain there is an acupuncture point'. So I'm gonna try and keep an open mind and hear what they have to say. Let's all hope we can learn something from each other.AttilioChinese Medicine , "syho_real" <syho@a...> wrote:> --- In Chinese Medicine , > wrote:> > Seems to me that this group has a more based on Traditional Medicine> fundaments.> > Why this group don't interact more with the Pa-l group so we can all> benefit from the exchanges in the idea process modern verses> traditional and their values?> > Vanessa > > > > > > > hi,> > i think you should ask moderator's opinion first before you post this> article.> > > syhoFor practitioners, students and those interested in TCM. Membership requires that you do not post any commerical, religious, spam messages or flame another member. If you want to change the way you receive email message, i.e. individually, daily digest or none, then visit the groups’ homepage: Chinese Medicine/ Click ‘edit my membership' on the right hand side and adjust accordingly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2003 Report Share Posted August 18, 2003 For the reading material part you need to see Biological medicine practice in europe, sweeden, germany and their view of the spleen as the queen organ in immune system operation. My point is that some information such as this coming from western discoveries as in european biological practice, helps to implement TCM protocol as in spleen sense in pulse and in treatment for immunological conditions. I am not saying change TCM but we can add using other information for a better result target. Vanessa Musiclear wrote: In a message dated 8/18/2003 2:33:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, vbirang writes: The biological understanding of the immunse system process coming from european doctors. The importance of the Spleen in this process.This in my opinion can add to the importance of the spleen as in TCM. Care to elaborate on what you have read? Chris For practitioners, students and those interested in TCM. Membership requires that you do not post any commerical, religious, spam messages or flame another member. If you want to change the way you receive email message, i.e. individually, daily digest or none, then visit the groups’ homepage: Chinese Medicine/ Click ‘edit my membership' on the right hand side and adjust accordingly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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