Guest guest Posted August 11, 2003 Report Share Posted August 11, 2003 I posted last week a email i received from the British Acupuncture Council on regulation in the UK. I replied as follows: Atti: Thank you for your email. I take it then that doctors and nurses who have been on weekend courses will still be allowed to practice acupuncture in their associated hospitals? The British Acupuncture Council replied today stating: The short answer to that question is yes, but the background is rather more complex The Acupuncture Regulatory Working Group decided early in its discussions that it would be impossible to aim for protection of function as well as protection of title - dentists, for example, have both; no-one can even practice dentistry in any form unless they are properly qualified and regsitered. Too many people use acupuncture in valid and important ways (drug detox, etc whose practice no legislator would want to outlaw) for protection of function to be sustainable. Protection of title is another matter and this is what is being discussed for acupuncturists. With protection of title, the title 'acupuncturist' will only be able to be used by practitioners who have achieved high educational standards, whether these be traditional acupuncturists, medical acupuncturists or physiotherapists. Anyone else who uses acupuncture will be subject to the rules of the regulating body under which they fall, but will not be able to call themselves acupuncturists. The standards which they will have to attain will be monitored by the regulatory body in conjunction with the new Acupuncture Council. The experience of the osteopaths has been that the advent of statutory regulation has meant that people have more often than not chosen to go to a registered professional than someone who uses it as an adjunctive technique. Many BAcC practitioners feel uncomfortable with the fact that in the short term there will be many people offering acupuncture as an adjunct whose standards fall short of a professional acupuncturist, but the BAcC's preferred strategy is to emphasise its members strengths rather than attack other people's weaknesses, especially since many BAcC members aspire to working alongside orthodox health professionals in the NHS. Atti: i fear the worst for TCM in the UK. As you may know, the vast majority of healthcare is available free on the National Health Service (NHS). If doctors and nurses are allowed to continue giving acupuncture to patients after attending a weekend course, this could signal the dead nail for TCM in the UK. Why go and see a acupuncturist in your local high street when you can get it for free on the NHS. Even now, hospital pain clinics are administered by 'real' qualified acupuncturist but don't get paid! These are worrying times. Attilio Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2003 Report Share Posted August 12, 2003 In a message dated 8/12/03 7:48:57 AM Eastern Daylight Time, acubapat writes: 1. IF DOCTORS & OTHER PROFESSIONALS CAN STUDYACUPUNCTURE IN A WEEKEND COURSE WHY NOT PERMITACUPUNCTURISTS WHO KNOW ABOUT THE HUMAN BODY TO STUDYIN A WEEKENDD COURSE & PRACTISE MEDICINE. Hi Anand, I won't copy the whole of your message but I totally agree. One of the most difficult things we have here in New York and other places is that MD's with minimal education have no trouble getting insurance reimbursement for their clients but they are not really practicing it as a modality. They are practicing WM and then doing a few points for an extra $90. or so. Also it keeps people who could really get help from correctly trained practitioners from seeing them. Also I agree with the above argument in that after practicing for a while you pretty much get the idea behind the different RX's that are used for any specific problem which generally are no more than 5 and from what I can tell it's usually a trial and error system. We could certainly learn it in a few weekends. I sometimes send people back to their primary care for tests based on our pattern diagnosis or treatment response which is not as I expect etc. Of course I go on and on but what I would like to see is the profession insist that anyone who wants to practice OM take a full 3 year course just as we would have to do to practice Chiropractic's and WM. At the very least they should be restricted from using the term acupuncturist without full training. By the way in CT. the chiropractors were and may have gotten permission to use their Dr. titles to qualify for short term learning courses and the ability to be "acupuncturists" and it seems like we here are always working to stop some profession or other from being us. Bobbi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2003 Report Share Posted August 12, 2003 HI, I AM IN TOTAL AGREEMENT THAT IT WOULD BE THE DEATH KNELL FOR TRADITIONAL ACUPUNCTURE AS IT SHOULD BE PRACTISED. A LOT OF PEOPLE ESPECIALLY OFFICIALS HAVE NOT THOUGHT ABOUT IT. THEY FEEL THAT IF WE HAVE MORE PEOPLE PRACTISING THEN IT WOULD BE GOOD FOR THE PROFESSION. I TOTALLY DISAGREE. LET US TAKE IT POINT BY POINT. 1. IF DOCTORS & OTHER PROFESSIONALS CAN STUDY ACUPUNCTURE IN A WEEKEND COURSE WHY NOT PERMIT ACUPUNCTURISTS WHO KNOW ABOUT THE HUMAN BODY TO STUDY IN A WEEKENDD COURSE & PRACTISE MEDICINE. 2. THEY DO IT FOR FREE IN THE HEALTH SETTING & REALLY HAVE NO CONCEPT OF THE POTENTIAL OF ACUPUNCTURE. 3. THEY CAN DO WHATEVER THEY CHOOSE. IF THE RESULTS HAPPEN TO BE GOOD THEY GLOAT IN IT. IF BAD THEY SAY IT DOES NOT WORK. THEY DO NOT SAY THEY WERE POOR CRAFTSMEN & HENCE THE POOR RESULTS. 4. WHEN THEY GET GOOD RESULTS WHICH MAY BE MORE LUCK THAN KNOWLEDGE, THEY CLAIM ACUPUNCTURE IS SO EASY THAT EVERYONE CAN LEARN IT. 5. THEY PRACTISE IT PART TIME IN CONJUNCTION WITH & AS A COMPLEMENT TO OTHER THERAPIES THAT THEY UTILISE. 6.THEYARE ALWAYS OPERATING AT THE VERY SKELETON LEVEL OF KNOWLEDGE NEVER KNOWING WHAT CAN BE ACHIEVED. 7. VERY FEW OF THEM USE THE FULL MODALITIES OF PULSE, TONGUE DIAGNOSIS, ETC. THEY BASE THEIR TEATMENT ON WESTERN MEDICAL DIAGNOSIS. BESIDES TREATMENT OPTIONS WILL RANGE FROM LASER OR ELECTRO ACUP EVEN RESORTING TO TENS. VERY FEW OF THEM WILL USE CUPPING, MOXA, NEEDLE WARMING & OTHER TECHNIQUES. 8. THEY NEVER WILL LOOK AT THE CAUSE OF THE DISEASE AS THEY ARE ONLY USING IT FOR RELIEF OF SYMPTOMS & NOT CURES AS POSSIBLE IN CM. ANAND --- <attiliodalberto wrote: > > I posted last week a email i received from the > British Acupuncture > Council on regulation in the UK. I replied as > follows: > > Atti: Thank you for your email. I take it then that > doctors and > nurses who have been on weekend courses will still > be allowed to > practice acupuncture in their associated hospitals? > > The British Acupuncture Council replied today > stating: > > > The short answer to that question is yes, but the > background is > rather more complex > > The Acupuncture Regulatory Working Group decided > early in its > discussions that it would be impossible to aim for > protection of > function as well as protection of title - dentists, > for example, have > both; no-one can even practice dentistry in any form > unless they are > properly qualified and regsitered. Too many people > use acupuncture in > valid and important ways (drug detox, etc whose > practice no > legislator would want to outlaw) for protection of > function to be > sustainable. Protection of title is another matter > and this is what > is being discussed for acupuncturists. > > With protection of title, the title 'acupuncturist' > will only be > able to be used by practitioners who have achieved > high educational > standards, whether these be traditional > acupuncturists, medical > acupuncturists or physiotherapists. Anyone else who > uses acupuncture > will be subject to the rules of the regulating body > under which they > fall, but will not be able to call themselves > acupuncturists. The > standards which they will have to attain will be > monitored by the > regulatory body in conjunction with the new > Acupuncture Council. > > The experience of the osteopaths has been that the > advent of > statutory regulation has meant that people have more > often than not > chosen to go to a registered professional than > someone who uses it as > an adjunctive technique. > > Many BAcC practitioners feel uncomfortable with the > fact that in the > short term there will be many people offering > acupuncture as an > adjunct whose standards fall short of a professional > acupuncturist, > but the BAcC's preferred strategy is to emphasise > its members > strengths rather than attack other people's > weaknesses, especially > since many BAcC members aspire to working alongside > orthodox health > professionals in the NHS. > > Atti: i fear the worst for TCM in the UK. As you may > know, the vast > majority of healthcare is available free on the > National Health > Service (NHS). If doctors and nurses are allowed to > continue giving > acupuncture to patients after attending a weekend > course, this could > signal the dead nail for TCM in the UK. Why go and > see a > acupuncturist in your local high street when you can > get it for free > on the NHS. Even now, hospital pain clinics are > administered > by 'real' qualified acupuncturist but don't get > paid! > > These are worrying times. > > Attilio > > ===== Anand Bapat Pain Management Specialist Sports Injury Specialist Blacktown, Parramatta, Punchbowl, & Hammondville 0402 472 897 ______________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Messenger http://uk.messenger./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2003 Report Share Posted August 12, 2003 ACUPUNCTURE AS IT SHOULD BEPRACTISED. >>>And how is that Alon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2003 Report Share Posted August 12, 2003 <alonmarcus@w...> wrote: > ACUPUNCTURE AS IT SHOULD BE > PRACTISED. > >>>And how is that > Alon By someone who has studied for at least three years Atti Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2003 Report Share Posted August 13, 2003 In a message dated 8/13/2003 3:52:26 AM Eastern Daylight Time, acubapat writes: looking at acupuncture as apreventive modality & getting pts cured of their illness. using all the ingredients of acup. needles, moxa, breathing, flavours, exercises, sleep, lifestyle changes, etc to achieve results & maintain pt free from disease with this lifestyle. anand Well, that is a problem in our society. Many people are not going to use all the ingredients of acupuncture. Many people don't even have the option to get the exercise and sleep they require, nor do they understand what good food is, or necessarily want to make wise food choices. How can all the ingredients of acupuncture be used for all our patients? They can't. That is why, including technology from our society for our society becomes important. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2003 Report Share Posted August 13, 2003 looking at acupuncture as apreventive modality & getting pts cured of their illness. using all the ingredients of acup. needles, moxa, breathing, flavours, exercises, sleep, lifestyle changes, etc to achieve results & maintain pt free from disease with this lifestyle. anand --- Alon Marcus <alonmarcus wrote: > ACUPUNCTURE AS IT SHOULD BE > PRACTISED. > >>>And how is that > Alon ===== Anand Bapat Pain Management Specialist Sports Injury Specialist Blacktown, Parramatta, Punchbowl, & Hammondville 0402 472 897 ______________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Messenger http://uk.messenger./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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