Guest guest Posted August 10, 2003 Report Share Posted August 10, 2003 All, I'm trying to prepare for an upcoming meeting in which a range of topics related to Chinese medicine will be discussed, and this morning while I was making some notes to prepare for this meeting I came up with: A couple of questions: 1. If you wanted to find an authoritative opinion in the realm of Western medicine, to what organization, individual or other entity(s) would you turn for or as a credible source? 2. If you wanted to find an authoritative opinion in the realm of Chinese medicine, to what organization, individual or other entity(s) would you turn for or as a credible source? or: What constitutes authority in traditional Chinese medicine? Who or what are the authorities? I will greatly appreciate any thoughts or responses anyone cares to share, either on or off the list. I prepare on, but off is ok with me in this instance. Ken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2003 Report Share Posted August 10, 2003 In a message dated 8/10/2003 5:34:40 AM Eastern Daylight Time, syho writes: hi, all students and juniors, maybe you should study something with western medidine first, what things you should identify, what things you shouldn't do. http://www.quackwatch.org/ syho This quakwatch is ridiculous! The authers assume new inovations are worthless. The sight ridicules some very important therapy. Read it as humor if you like, although it bothers me that some people who could use the therapy would choose otherwise because of the ridiculous review by the DRs. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2003 Report Share Posted August 10, 2003 Chinese Medicine , " kenrose2008 " <kenrose2008> wrote: > All, > > I'm trying to prepare for an upcoming > meeting in which a range of topics > related to Chinese medicine will be > discussed, and this morning while I > was making some notes to prepare for > this meeting I came up with: > > > A couple of questions: > > 1. If you wanted to find an authoritative opinion > in the realm of Western medicine, to what organization, > individual or other entity(s) would you turn for or > as a credible source? > > 2. If you wanted to find an authoritative opinion > in the realm of Chinese medicine, to what organization, > individual or other entity(s) would you turn for or > as a credible source? > > or: > > What constitutes authority in traditional Chinese > medicine? > > Who or what are the authorities? > > I will greatly appreciate any thoughts or > responses anyone cares to share, either > on or off the list. I prepare on, but > off is ok with me in this instance. > > > Ken hi, all students and juniors, maybe you should study something with western medidine first, what things you should identify, what things you shouldn't do. http://www.quackwatch.org/ syho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2003 Report Share Posted August 10, 2003 Please everyone, Stephen Barret of Quackwatch is not an authority. Barret is an ex psychiatrist whose practicing license has expired and not been renewed. Do not put any store in what Stephen Barret of Quackwatch has to say until the jury comes back in. Barret is allegedly not independently financed and after spending $1M on law suits against others he is now having to jusfify where he gets his funding from on a 50k/year salary. Barret will savage anything not supported by conventional medicines and the 'Big Pharma' drug cartel. TCM just does not stand a chance with this guy and his hidden supporters so please, please, proceed with caution. A good idea perhaps is to also check out the AntiQuackBusters site: http://www.iahf.com/antiquackbusters/ Sam. syho_real [syho]10 August 2003 10:34Chinese Medicine Subject: Re: AuthorityChinese Medicine , "kenrose2008"<kenrose2008> wrote:> All,> > I'm trying to prepare for an upcoming> meeting in which a range of topics > related to Chinese medicine will be> discussed, and this morning while I> was making some notes to prepare for> this meeting I came up with:> > > A couple of questions:> > 1. If you wanted to find an authoritative opinion> in the realm of Western medicine, to what organization,> individual or other entity(s) would you turn for or> as a credible source?> > 2. If you wanted to find an authoritative opinion> in the realm of Chinese medicine, to what organization,> individual or other entity(s) would you turn for or> as a credible source?> > or:> > What constitutes authority in traditional Chinese> medicine? > > Who or what are the authorities?> > I will greatly appreciate any thoughts or> responses anyone cares to share, either> on or off the list. I prepare on, but > off is ok with me in this instance.> > > Kenhi, all students and juniors,maybe you should study something with western medidine first, whatthings you should identify, what things you shouldn't do.http://www.quackwatch.org/syhoFor practitioners, students and those interested in TCM. Membership requires that you do not post any commerical, religious, spam messages or flame another member. If you want to change the way you receive email message, i.e. individually, daily digest or none, then visit the groups’ homepage: Chinese Medicine/ Click ‘edit my membership' on the right hand side and adjust accordingly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2003 Report Share Posted August 10, 2003 All,I'm trying to prepare for an upcomingmeeting in which a range of topics related to Chinese medicine will bediscussed, and this morning while Iwas making some notes to prepare forthis meeting I came up with:A couple of questions:1. If you wanted to find an authoritative opinionin the realm of Western medicine, to what organization,individual or other entity(s) would you turn for oras a credible source? geo> Western medicine is not a cohesive unit - it is a bunch of sometimes totally unrelated disciplines. studies, conclusions. Many of these independent fragments of knowledge work amazingly well. So.. there is not ONE entity that could be considered as the source but several - each with its own specialty. 2. If you wanted to find an authoritative opinionin the realm of Chinese medicine, to what organization,individual or other entity(s) would you turn for oras a credible source? geo> Fragmentation is much less evident then in WM. But here too one would have to go to the several different sources of the different paradigms of CM. 5E; 8P, 6Levels, Korean, Japanese, etc.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2003 Report Share Posted August 10, 2003 Chris wrote: <This quakwatch is ridiculous! The authers assume new inovations are worthless. The sight ridicules some very important therapy. Read it as humor if you like, although it bothers me that some people who could use the therapy would choose otherwise because of the ridiculous review by the DRs.> While I too can get upset with such self-proclaimed authorities, I actually feel kind of sorry for them. Most of these types are scientific zealots and just like other type of zealots (religious, political, etc.) they believe they are the one's who really understand what it is all about. Now that there are challenges to their power structure, they lash out. I actually attended an annual international skeptics conference, at least the session on Alternative Medicine, because I wanted to see these people and get a better sense of their energy. I wrote a tongue and cheek article of my experience that I titled "A Quack Among Skeptics." It appeared in the October 2002 issue of Acupuncture Today and can be found in their archive section or under the columnists tab by clicking on my name. I sense these people need to believe their own narrow view and are frightened by what they will base their hopes for security on if their views turn out to be wrong. They also do some good as there are health frauds out there. Once I got a chance to see them in their element, I felt more pity than anger. Matt Bauer - Musiclear Chinese Medicine Sunday, August 10, 2003 6:29 AM Re: Re: Authority In a message dated 8/10/2003 5:34:40 AM Eastern Daylight Time, syho writes: hi, all students and juniors,maybe you should study something with western medidine first, whatthings you should identify, what things you shouldn't do.http://www.quackwatch.org/syho This quakwatch is ridiculous! The authers assume new inovations are worthless. The sight ridicules some very important therapy. Read it as humor if you like, although it bothers me that some people who could use the therapy would choose otherwise because of the ridiculous review by the DRs. Chris For practitioners, students and those interested in TCM. Membership requires that you do not post any commerical, religious, spam messages or flame another member. If you want to change the way you receive email message, i.e. individually, daily digest or none, then visit the groups’ homepage: Chinese Medicine/ Click ‘edit my membership' on the right hand side and adjust accordingly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2003 Report Share Posted August 10, 2003 In a message dated 8/10/2003 1:51:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, alonmarcus writes: TCM just does not stand a chance with this guy and his hidden supporters >>>No alternative to drugs and surgery does Alon I disagree. They may attack TCM, but there are many who know that people would discredit holistic health for nothing more than greed. A couple of years ago, the FDA was stripped of a lot of power because they were so obviously courting the Western guys. Although society in general my be naive, they seem to be pretty pissed off at the typical doctors and wont stand to have their rights to choose their own treatment taken away. The general education of the baby boomers seems to be pretty high in my neck of the woods. Thankfully. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2003 Report Share Posted August 10, 2003 TCM just does not stand a chance with this guy and his hidden supporters >>>No alternative to drugs and surgery does Alon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2003 Report Share Posted August 10, 2003 Chinese Medicine , Musiclear@a... wrote: > This quakwatch is ridiculous! The authers assume new inovations are > worthless. The sight ridicules some very important therapy. Read it as humor > if you like, although it bothers me that some people who could use the therapy > would choose otherwise because of the ridiculous review by the DRs. > > Chris hi, thanks for your comments. i just only want all students and juniors to think, what things should be identify, what things they should do and should not do. your conments, of course, also englighten them. thanks. syho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2003 Report Share Posted August 10, 2003 I disagree. >>>You mean the quackbustars would find an alternative practice valid. I have never seen them to do so Alon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2003 Report Share Posted August 11, 2003 In a message dated 8/10/2003 1:51:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, alonmarcus writes: TCM just does not stand a chance with this guy and his hidden supporters >>>No alternative to drugs and surgery does Alon I disagree. They may attack TCM, but there are many who know that people would discredit holistic health for nothing more than greed. A couple of years ago, the FDA was stripped of a lot of power because they were so obviously courting the Western guys. Although society in general my be naive, they seem to be pretty pissed off at the typical doctors and wont stand to have their rights to choose their own treatment taken away. The general education of the baby boomers seems to be pretty high in my neck of the woods. Thankfully. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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