Guest guest Posted August 6, 2003 Report Share Posted August 6, 2003 Hi Lon and Maya, I'd like to join Maya on this and note that consciousness is one of the things that both Buddhists and Heiddeger noted was less than "authentic". In Buddhism authenicity is the achievement of samadhi, whereas in phenomenological ontology it's called Dasein. Recall the Buddhist Sattapatana practice, "I am not the body, not the mind, not the emotions/personality, not even the consciousness ..." That's all too haute couture for me. I actually like to view it in simpler terms since I like athletics. I can relate to Ken as he's a boxer and I'm a runner/wrestler. Sartre said we're condemned to be free ... meaning that we have to consciously learn things. Then once mastered we get to use them ... like writing words, drawing pictures or figure skating. There's the subcortical programming of the cerebellum and basal nuclei which i like to call the Kristie Yamaguchi/Michael Jordan software. It takes endless amounts of practice to program that computer. Then you also get the "exhiliration" of the practice. As the saying goes, if you want to hit the bull's eye, you can't aim. "Aiming" is the conscious limited state. Just random observations regarding consciousness. I really like Maya's earlier post the best. Emmanuel Segmen Maya wrote: Clearly we are not in agreement. I would not confine the notion of subconscious so harshly. It is equally clear that we will not likely agree on this subject (grin) as we obviously have quite a few differing views on some very core matters. So, I am willing to let it be. Lon: Maya, I have postulated that the supposition of unconscious motivations is at the heart of our cultures mentality of victimization. I'm very interested to hear your explanation of the relevance of unconsciousness as a concept as well as hearing how you see such a construct as empowering individuals to take 100% responsibility for their own lives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2003 Report Share Posted August 6, 2003 is therev Emmanuel Segmen <susegmen wrote: Hi Lon and Maya, I'd like to join Maya on this and note that consciousness is one of the things that both Buddhists and Heiddeger noted was less than "authentic". In Buddhism authenicity is the achievement of samadhi, whereas in phenomenological ontology it's called Dasein. Recall the Buddhist Sattapatana practice, "I am not the body, not the mind, not the emotions/personality, not even the consciousness ..." That's all too haute couture for me. I actually like to view it in simpler terms since I like athletics. I can relate to Ken as he's a boxer and I'm a runner/wrestler. Sartre said we're condemned to be free ... meaning that we have to consciously learn things. Then once mastered we get to use them ... like writing words, drawing pictures or figure skating. There's the subcortical programming of the cerebellum and basal nuclei which i like to call the Kristie Yamaguchi/Michael Jordan software. It takes endless amounts of practice to program that computer. Then you also get the "exhiliration" of the practice. As the saying goes, if you want to hit the bull's eye, you can't aim. "Aiming" is the conscious limited state. Just random observations regarding consciousness. I really like Maya's earlier post the best. Emmanuel Segmen Maya wrote: Clearly we are not in agreement. I would not confine the notion of subconscious so harshly. It is equally clear that we will not likely agree on this subject (grin) as we obviously have quite a few differing views on some very core matters. So, I am willing to let it be. Lon: Maya, I have postulated that the supposition of unconscious motivations is at the heart of our cultures mentality of victimization. I'm very interested to hear your explanation of the relevance of unconsciousness as a concept as well as hearing how you see such a construct as empowering individuals to take 100% responsibility for their own lives. For practitioners, students and those interested in Traditional (TCM.). Membership requires that you do not post any commerical, religious, spam messages or flame another member. If you want to change the way you receive email message, i.e. from individual to a daily digest or none then visit the groups’ homepage: Chinese Medicine/ From there, click ‘edit my membership on the right hand side’ and adjust accordingly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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