Guest guest Posted August 5, 2003 Report Share Posted August 5, 2003 I found the discussion of conciousness and its place or lack thereof in TCM very stimulating! It is interesting to think of consciousness as something above awareness. The very act of thinking of it disallows you from being it. The words that are used to describe it, separate one from it. So how does one achieve oneness without striving for it. In my humble opinion, it is invaluable in the patient/healer relationship. It is the action of non-action that puts one in a particular mode of healing... that place that is unrecognizable when you are in the midst of it and only recognizable by the lack of its presence when you are not. Quite a conundrum. A healer heals in many ways. I know I am jumping about a bit but another thing that I feel compelled to comment on is the notion that we create our own illness or disease. I think it is true to some degree - and it does fall in nicely with TCM theory of the emotions affecting specific organ systems. There is often the somatization of our psychic dis-ease when unable to come to terms with that dis-ease however, I think there is danger in blaming people for their diseases. I have seen health care practitioners become dismissive of peoples illness because 'it was their own creation'... and it does cause the patient to feel guilty about their illness. It seems to me that blaming the patient is an example of the ego getting in the way. As TCM practitioners we have the luxury and responsibility of treating the whole person. That may mean different things to different people but it is a privilege. Thanks for hearing my thoughts. Karen --- Chinese Medicine wrote: > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2003 Report Share Posted August 5, 2003 Dear Karen, I for one love your vivid conundrums of moving away from the goal of striving along with disease as the body's own habit. Well expressed! Emmanuel Segmen - acukaren Chinese Medicine Monday, August 04, 2003 7:43 PM Re: Traditional (TCM) Digest Number 111 I found the discussion of conciousness and its placeor lack thereof in TCM very stimulating! It isinteresting to think of consciousness as somethingabove awareness. The very act of thinking of itdisallows you from being it. The words that are usedto describe it, separate one from it. So how does oneachieve oneness without striving for it. In my humbleopinion, it is invaluable in the patient/healerrelationship. It is the action of non-action thatputs one in a particular mode of healing... that placethat is unrecognizable when you are in the midst of itand only recognizable by the lack of its presence whenyou are not. Quite a conundrum. A healer heals inmany ways.I know I am jumping about a bit but another thing thatI feel compelled to comment on is the notion that wecreate our own illness or disease. I think it is trueto some degree - and it does fall in nicely with TCMtheory of the emotions affecting specific organsystems. There is often the somatization of ourpsychic dis-ease when unable to come to terms withthat dis-ease however, I think there is danger inblaming people for their diseases. I have seen healthcare practitioners become dismissive of peoplesillness because 'it was their own creation'... and itdoes cause the patient to feel guilty about theirillness. It seems to me that blaming the patient is anexample of the ego getting in the way. As TCM practitioners we have the luxury andresponsibility of treating the whole person. That maymean different things to different people but it is aprivilege.Thanks for hearing my thoughts.Karen--- Chinese Medicine wrote:> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2003 Report Share Posted August 5, 2003 Emanuel Have you read Duke book the dao of Chinese med. I would be very interested to see what your reactions are about his anatomical assumptions Alon Marco: I also would be interested in Emanuel's opinion and yours Alon. What do you opinion with regard to your speciality orthopaedics less I am mistaking... Marco Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2003 Report Share Posted August 5, 2003 Emanuel Have you read Duke book the dao of chinese med. I would be very interested to see what your reactions are about his anatomical assumptions Alon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2003 Report Share Posted August 5, 2003 What do you opinion with regard to your speciality orthopaedics less I am mistaking... >>>>Much of his comments that i have read so far have to do with the vascular system. My vascular anatomy is limited, it is not where i have put most of my study. So i need to slowly digest each of Duke's statements. I need to go through other translations of the same paragraphs by others (since i cant do my own) and then look at how close he is to others translations, and then study more of the vascular interpretations. Since Emanuel can probably comment, at least on the vascular statements, it will save me some time Alon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2003 Report Share Posted August 5, 2003 Thanks, Alon. I haven't as yet but would be interested to do so. Please give me a full title and author so I can locate it. Emmanuel Segmen - Alon Marcus Chinese Medicine Tuesday, August 05, 2003 7:58 AM Re: Traditional (TCM) Digest Number 111 Emanuel Have you read Duke book the dao of chinese med. I would be very interested to see what your reactions are about his anatomical assumptions AlonFor practitioners, students and those interested in Traditional (TCM.). Membership requires that you do not post any commerical, religious, spam messages or flame another member. If you want to change the way you receive email message, i.e. from individual to a daily digest or none then visit the groups’ homepage: Chinese Medicine/ From there, click ‘edit my membership on the right hand side’ and adjust accordingly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2003 Report Share Posted August 6, 2003 Thanks, Alon. I haven't as yet but would be interested to do so. Please give me a full title and author so I can locate it. >>>>Dao of Chinese medicine by Kendall Alon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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