The subconscious

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In a message dated 8/4/03 7:28:15 AM,

Chinese Medicine writes:

 

<< Maya: On a subtle level then, is it not possible that there could be a

 

> pathology in thought, subconscious or otherwise, that could influence and

give

 

> rise to pathology of the physical body? >>

 

Lon: I don't beleive there is such a thing as a subconscious. To the degree

that the concept has a usage it only applies in the realm of the ego or false

self. The authentic self, that aspect of us empowered by jing, qi, and shen, is

nothing but pure consciousness and it is always watching and ready to serve

the moment we identify with it. An assumption of my clinical practice, and

life, is that every one knows what they are doing 100% of the time. The entire

postulation of a subconscious that motivates us provides nothing more than an

excuse for victimization and a justification for endless psychotherapy, as well

as the necessity for taking time to change.

We need to do therapy to learn about our unconscious motivations for

acting. But the subconsciousness itself is infinite and therefore we always need

therapy ($150 for a 45 minute hour) and we are never fully responsible for what

we express because we can always claim we are victims of our unconscious

motivations. Jung was wrong. There is *no* collective unconsciousness (unless we

mean obfuscation of ego itself). What is true is that there is collective

consciousness if only we would wake up to it.

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In a message dated 8/4/2003 6:26:57 AM Pacific Standard Time, Spiritpathpress writes:

 

 

The entire postulation of a subconscious that motivates us provides nothing more than an excuse for victimization and a justification for endless psychotherapy, as well as the necessity for taking time to change.

 

 

Clearly we are not in agreement. I would not confine the notion of subconscious so harshly. It is equally clear that we will not likely agree on this subject (grin) as we obviously have quite a few differing views on some very core matters. So, I am willing to let it be.

 

Be well, Maya

[Guest guest]

I think Jung's interpretation of "Collective Unconscious" was simply his relabeling of "Alaya Consciousness" in Buddhism. He was quite influenced by Suzuki and others.

 

I also agree there is no subconscious - just simply delusions that block the true mind.

 

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Spiritpathpress

Chinese Medicine

Monday, August 04, 2003 6:25 AM

Traditional (TCM) The "subconscious"

In a message dated 8/4/03 7:28:15 AM, Chinese Medicine writes:Lon: I don't beleive there is such a thing as a subconscious. To the degree that the concept has a usage it only applies in the realm of the ego or false self. The authentic self, that aspect of us empowered by jing, qi, and shen, is nothing but pure consciousness and it is always watching and ready to serve the moment we identify with it. An assumption of my clinical practice, and life, is that every one knows what they are doing 100% of the time. The entire postulation of a subconscious that motivates us provides nothing more than an excuse for victimization and a justification for endless psychotherapy, as well as the necessity for taking time to change. We need to do therapy to learn about our unconscious motivations for acting. But the subconsciousness itself is infinite and therefore we always need therapy ($150 for a 45 minute hour) and we are never fully responsible for what we express because we can always claim we are victims of our unconscious motivations. Jung was wrong. There is *no* collective unconsciousness (unless we mean obfuscation of ego itself). What is true is that there is collective consciousness if only we would wake up to it.For practitioners, students and those interested in Traditional (TCM.). Topics discussed range from acupuncture, herbal medicine, tuina to nutrition.Membership requires that you do not post any commerical, religious or spam messages. Web site homepage: Chinese Medicine/