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In a message dated 8/4/03 7:28:15 AM,

Chinese Medicine writes:

 

<< Consciousness is the realm of

 

the separate self, it is the human world as a inner separate observer

 

looking at the observed outside world. >>

 

Lon: I can't agree. Ego usurps consciouusness and claims it for its own

generating the false sense of separate and independant self. Consciousness

itself

is the true nature of all things and separation or " my consciousness " is an

illusion.

 

2.Human consciousness here,

 

or in the USA is the same as in Oslo, or Bucharest, or Rio, or

 

Bangladesh - basically the same.

 

Lon: Blatantly wrong according to research conducted across all cultures over

the last 50 years. Considera tribesmen living in what is left of the amazon

(consciousness thats's abouut 40,000 years old), a musleum fundamentalist

(10,000 years old), a Roman Cathlioc (2000 yo), a businessman on wall street

(french enlightenment- 150 yo), Baba Ram Das (1960's: 40 yo), an

holistic/integral

thinker (30 yo) or someone with cosmic consciousness (a few now-just a

beggining trend for humanity with only a few examples over the last 3 millenia).

Do

you think these people all have different but equale consciousness *OR* is there

evidence of increaseing complexity and refinement thus indicating evolution?

 

Geo:When someone is trying to " embrace another person's

 

anything " beware!!!

 

Lon: A complete avoidance of the issue. You just can't say that there is a

single human on the planet more evolved, can you? Everything is different but

equale right? I disagree. I see abundant evidence for natural heirarchy and

evolution. It's not a questionn of embracing another person's personal

attributes.

I'm suggesting that there could possibly be another person who, through a

combination of their own endowment and effort, has embraced a higher form of

consciousness than we have.

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<< Consciousness is the realm of the separate self, it is the

human world as a inner separate observer looking at the observed

outside world. >>Lon: I can't agree. Ego usurps consciouusness and claims it for its own generating the false sense of separate and independant self. Consciousness itself is the true nature of all things and separation or "my consciousness" is an illusion.

 

geo> We are again stuck with the meaning of words. Lets clear it.

Your usage of consciousness here is different. You seem to be using it

similar to "spirit" or perhaps "mind".

Look how I see it: the human world can only be perceived through the senses

and the brain. The result of these perceptions is human consciousness.

 

Ah... I think I see what you mean...

 

This consciousness has two manners of working, way of speaking:

1- With the observer as some entity outside consciousness (delusion).

2- W/o the observer, and then all is consciousness and nothing is outside

of it.

 

Geo>.Human consciousness here,or in the USA is the same as in Oslo, or Bucharest, or Rio, or Bangladesh - basically the same.Lon: Blatantly wrong according to research conducted across all cultures over the last 50 years. Considera tribesmen living in what is left of the amazon (consciousness thats's abouut 40,000 years old), a musleum fundamentalist (10,000 years old), a Roman Cathlioc (2000 yo), a businessman on wall street (french enlightenment- 150 yo), Baba Ram Das (1960's: 40 yo), an holistic/integral thinker (30 yo) or someone with cosmic consciousness (a few now-just a beggining trend for humanity with only a few examples over the last 3 millenia). Do you think these people all have different but equale consciousness *OR* is there evidence of increaseing complexity and refinement thus indicating evolution?

 

geo> This is interesting. Look. Human consciousness functioning with the

separate observer is very similar all over the world for the past thousands of years.

It is based on tribalism, or patriotism in our days, instead of arrows bombs, fear,

unfulfilled desires, and

the drive to be other then one is. What changes is just the object of the fears,

desires and worships. For one is money, for the other is god, for the other is

cosmic consciousness, or universal mind, etc...

Refinement is changing the god of rains to dollars in wall street, changing god

to something like universal holistic perspective, stones for rockets.

 

 

 

Geo:When someone is trying to "embrace another person's anything" beware!!!Lon: A complete avoidance of the issue. You just can't say that there is a single human on the planet more evolved, can you? Everything is different but equale right? I disagree. I see abundant evidence for natural heirarchy and evolution. It's not a questionn of embracing another person's personal attributes. I'm suggesting that there could possibly be another person who, through a combination of their own endowment and effort, has embraced a higher form of consciousness than we have.

 

geo> There is no grdual-ation in this. Either one sees the totality of this one

movement or doesn't. The problem with all of us, is the we have a glimpse

of that impersonal reality or whatever name, and we want more of it, perpetuate it,

but that is already thought wanting more - one is back to the rat hole.

Can one see that impersonality and not carry it over? It is always new.

The moment we name it, talk about evolution towards it, we have already

abstracted. We have already turned that glimpse of the real into a mental abstraction.

Wouldn't you agree? One must develop the ability to observe all and any event

within consciousness. All and every thought - because one single tiny thought

may transform the present reality into a mental abstraction "to be achieved in the

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