Geo

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In a message dated 8/3/03 12:21:49 AM,

Chinese Medicine writes:

 

<< There is nothing in human consciousness that can evolve - because any

attempt

to act upon this consciousness is from this very same consciousness >>

 

Lon: Geo, would you answer a few questions? 1. Do you beleive in evolution?

If so, what do you think it entails? Is there any person on planet earth whose

consciousness is more highly evolved than yours? If so, do you think that

striving to embrace that form of consciousness could yield a positive result?

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<< There is nothing in human consciousness that can

evolve - because any attempt to act upon this consciousness

is from this very same consciousness >>Lon: Geo, would you answer a few questions? 1. Do you

beleive in evolution? If so, what do you think it entails?

 

geo> Lon, have you ever considered the possibility that

we are only having problems with nomenclature?.

 

It depends. Obviously the human organism, brain, physiology

have evolved throughout these few million years. I don't question that.

Also human consciousness did undergo changes. But let us be clear:

according to the definition of consciousness I use (see other post),

there is more to "what is" then human physiology and human

consciousness. My usage of consciousness is the same as

used by Buddha and krishnamurti. Consciousness is the realm of

the separate self, it is the human world as a inner separate observer

looking at the observed outside world. In this field of consciousness

there can not be evolution as long as this duality is going on.

Any sense of evolution is a projection of this inner separate self as

the ME. It itself projects a "better" state and then runs after it - forever

and forever on...... In this field there is no evolution.

 

Lon> Is there any person on planet earth whose consciousness is more highly evolved than yours?

 

geo> As long as we are using the same definition for the

word consciousness your question makes no sense.

No consciousness is better then another for two reasons.

First because the separate center is there, perhaps a little

nicer, a little gentler, a little more violent or benevolent - but it

is there. And second consciousness is not mine or yours

or his - it belongs to mankind. Human consciousness here,

or in the USA is the same as in Oslo, or Bucharest, or Rio, or

Bangladesh - basically the same.

 

Lon> If so, do you think that striving to embrace that form of

consciousness could yield a positive result?

 

geo> I don't think so. Trying to embrace "another's consciousness"

is a meaningless effort IMHO. What one can do is to see the totality

of this human consciousness - observer and observed included.

Then the source of this observation is "nothingness". And nothingness

is impersonal, doesn't belong to any person as you suggest with

your question. When someone is trying to "embrace another person's

anything" beware!!! It is a mistake we all went through.... What may

happen is that at one point two (or more) persons may "touch"

the same impersonal perspective.

 

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I hope and pray I can be more than i am, but also I know that the all is already in and around us. and while we're at it,

For beginer everything is possible, for an expert, few things are. and

Sometimes it isn't doing whatever one wants that causes harm, but doing what one doesn't want to. (I think I got that right)

peace, fran

geo <inandor wrote:

 

 

<< There is nothing in human consciousness that can

evolve - because any attempt to act upon this consciousness

is from this very same consciousness >>Lon: Geo, would you answer a few questions? 1. Do you

beleive in evolution? If so, what do you think it entails?

 

geo> Lon, have you ever considered the possibility that

we are only having problems with nomenclature?.

 

It depends. Obviously the human organism, brain, physiology

have evolved throughout these few million years. I don't question that.

Also human consciousness did undergo changes. But let us be clear:

according to the definition of consciousness I use (see other post),

there is more to "what is" then human physiology and human

consciousness. My usage of consciousness is the same as

used by Buddha and krishnamurti. Consciousness is the realm of

the separate self, it is the human world as a inner separate observer

looking at the observed outside world. In this field of consciousness

there can not be evolution as long as this duality is going on.

Any sense of evolution is a projection of this inner separate self as

the ME. It itself projects a "better" state and then runs after it - forever

and forever on...... In this field there is no evolution.

 

Lon> Is there any person on planet earth whose consciousness is more highly evolved than yours?

 

geo> As long as we are using the same definition for the

word consciousness your question makes no sense.

No consciousness is better then another for two reasons.

First because the separate center is there, perhaps a little

nicer, a little gentler, a little more violent or benevolent - but it

is there. And second consciousness is not mine or yours

or his - it belongs to mankind. Human consciousness here,

or in the USA is the same as in Oslo, or Bucharest, or Rio, or

Bangladesh - basically the same.

 

Lon> If so, do you think that striving to embrace that form of

consciousness could yield a positive result?

 

geo> I don't think so. Trying to embrace "another's consciousness"

is a meaningless effort IMHO. What one can do is to see the totality

of this human consciousness - observer and observed included.

Then the source of this observation is "nothingness". And nothingness

is impersonal, doesn't belong to any person as you suggest with

your question. When someone is trying to "embrace another person's

anything" beware!!! It is a mistake we all went through.... What may

happen is that at one point two (or more) persons may "touch"

the same impersonal perspective.

 

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