Guest guest Posted August 4, 2003 Report Share Posted August 4, 2003 All genes need something to trigger them.. having genetic predisposition is no guarantee of disease. Environment and diet are just the most common influences. Environment is endless in its facets... >>>Unless it is a genetic disease Alon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2003 Report Share Posted August 4, 2003 that is the only way we can have 2 smokers.one enjoying it & no problem another hating it & getting l. cancer. i think this will be the realtruth.>>>That is not the only way. It is a speculative faith based statement. When you expose animals to smock not all of them get cancer. Do they have complex emotions to explain this? Alon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2003 Report Share Posted August 4, 2003 I am merely pointing to the amazing healing potential that we possess and have not, yet, fully realized as humans. To acknowledge or at least to remain open to this potential is not to fault ill people ... it is to open a door with an eye toward empowering them, empowering us. >>>I agree. Sometimes that is what patients take in regardless how it is presented Alon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2003 Report Share Posted August 4, 2003 Something more refined than emotion, for example. I consider it to be a rather provocative notion and thought to share it with the group ... to be explored, discussed or rejected as each person sees fit. And to be honest, I offered this idea in response to what I perceived as a rather quick judgement on the part of a posting party. Just my way of saying >>>>Please NEVER take what i say as a criticism. All i am doing to sharing fleeting thoughts. I tend to like a debate style of communication as it makes me and i hope other think. Alon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2003 Report Share Posted August 4, 2003 In a message dated 8/4/2003 12:46:07 AM Pacific Standard Time, alonmarcus writes: that is the only way we can have 2 smokers. one enjoying it & no problem another hating it & getting l. cancer. i think this will be the real truth. >>>That is not the only way. It is a speculative faith based statement. When you expose animals to smock not all of them get cancer. Do they have complex emotions to explain this? Alon, While the above comments on which you are commenting were not mine, I would like to clarify a previous comment in this thread. I have never made the assertion that the proposed energetic component of genetics would be purely emotional (it could potentially be emotional energy but certainly not limited to such) ... in fact, I stated in one reply that I was considering a more refined energetic influence ... "something more refined than emotions". My suggestion was that there is some form of energetic data/encoding that might be passed along with the genes themselves ..... this would not exclude animals. Previously, it was discussed that there are cases where an organ donation recipient took on some of the habits or feelings of the donor. I find it an interesting notion that there could be a subtle (or not so subtle) resonance of the mother and father in egg and sperm. Is jing simply the early chinese equivalent to genetics or is it something else/something more? Just a thought. Maya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2003 Report Share Posted August 5, 2003 Hi Alon, I've emboldened your comments below, and as I want to call for a point of information on our list and personally extend my regards to you. Your comments might sometimes be regarded by some as a personal critique. You indicate below that you do not wish your words to be interpreted that way. I personally thank you for noting this. Very nice. In gratitude, Emmanuel Segmen - Alon Marcus Chinese Medicine Monday, August 04, 2003 12:23 AM Re: Traditional (TCM) Re: Consciousness Something more refined than emotion, for example. I consider it to be a rather provocative notion and thought to share it with the group ... to be explored, discussed or rejected as each person sees fit. And to be honest, I offered this idea in response to what I perceived as a rather quick judgement on the part of a posting party. Just my way of saying >>>>Please NEVER take what i say as a criticism. All i am doing to sharing fleeting thoughts. I tend to like a debate style of communication as it makes me and i hope other think. AlonFor practitioners, students and those interested in Traditional (TCM.). Topics discussed range from acupuncture, herbal medicine, tuina to nutrition.Membership requires that you do not post any commerical, religious or spam messages. Web site homepage: Chinese Medicine/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2003 Report Share Posted August 5, 2003 Maya, I thought I would add a bit more to your comment which I really enjoyed by the way. While the male sperm contributes little more than chromosomes to the new zygote, the female ovum has every other aspect of cellular life many hundred fold. Aside from mitochondria with their own prokaryotic DNA, the ovum contains all of the membranous structures, ER, rough ER, microtubular structures and on and on. Molecular biologists note that there is a lot more inherited than just eukaryotic human chromatin (human genes). What I've also noticed both in epidemiological studies and amidst my own 2,000 or so students is that family inheritance includes the entire longitudinal plane. What this means is the family diet and habits, the neighborhood diet and habits, the cycles of the local climate, the national culture and so on. For example, modern Americans think the modern American diet is normal and feel uncomfortable when they are not eating it. Dick Gregory used to always note that his fellow African Americans were becoming obese through no fault of molecular genetics. Rather they were inheriting the family diet or family eating habits. Thus, inheritance or family history can be seen as a much broader realm of assessment than simply the biology of molecular genetics. Some investigation can be made to establish a differential diagnosis. Only 4% of Americans in the year 1900 were considered medically obese. Our molecular genetics in 2003 are much the same as then. These are my thoughts regarding longitudinal heredity. Emmanuel Segmen - YinTangSong Chinese Medicine Monday, August 04, 2003 11:30 AM Re: Traditional (TCM) Re: Consciousness In a message dated 8/4/2003 12:46:07 AM Pacific Standard Time, alonmarcus writes: that is the only way we can have 2 smokers. one enjoying it & no problem another hating it & getting l. cancer. i think this will be the real truth. >>>That is not the only way. It is a speculative faith based statement. When you expose animals to smock not all of them get cancer. Do they have complex emotions to explain this?Alon, While the above comments on which you are commenting were not mine, I would like to clarify a previous comment in this thread. I have never made the assertion that the proposed energetic component of genetics would be purely emotional (it could potentially be emotional energy but certainly not limited to such) ... in fact, I stated in one reply that I was considering a more refined energetic influence ... "something more refined than emotions". My suggestion was that there is some form of energetic data/encoding that might be passed along with the genes themselves ..... this would not exclude animals. Previously, it was discussed that there are cases where an organ donation recipient took on some of the habits or feelings of the donor. I find it an interesting notion that there could be a subtle (or not so subtle) resonance of the mother and father in egg and sperm. Is jing simply the early chinese equivalent to genetics or is it something else/something more? Just a thought. Maya For practitioners, students and those interested in Traditional (TCM.). Membership requires that you do not post any commerical, religious, spam messages or flame another member. If you want to change the way you receive email message, i.e. from individual to a daily digest or none then visit the groups’ homepage: Chinese Medicine/ From there, click ‘edit my membership on the right hand side’ and adjust accordingly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2003 Report Share Posted August 5, 2003 While the male sperm contributes little more than chromosomes to the new zygote, the female ovum has every other aspect of cellular life many hundred fold. >>>>Perhaps that is why in Judaism the child identity follows the mother Alon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2003 Report Share Posted August 5, 2003 In a message dated 8/5/2003 2:10:10 PM Pacific Standard Time, susegmen writes: Thus, inheritance or family history can be seen as a much broader realm of assessment than simply the biology of molecular genetics. Clearly, I agree. Thank you, Emmanuel, for adding the detail of your two cents. Maya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2003 Report Share Posted August 6, 2003 In a message dated 8/3/2003 11:28:54 AM Eastern Daylight Time, attiliodalberto writes: 'The External Validity of the Soul' by Jane Roberts Hi Attilio Is this the correct title? I just searched all my normal book sources and not one copy has shown itself. Thanks, Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2003 Report Share Posted August 6, 2003 Hi Chris This title from Jane Roberts comes very close " Seth Speaks: The Eternal Validity of the Soul " Author: Jane Roberts, Robert F. Butts, Seth Publisher: Amber-Allen Publishing Pub. June, 1994 Format: Paperback ISBN: 1878424076 Regards Alwin > > 'The External Validity of the Soul' by Jane Roberts > > > > Hi Attilio > > Is this the correct title? I just searched all my normal book sources > and not one copy has shown itself. > > Thanks, > Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2003 Report Share Posted August 6, 2003 Thats correct Alwin, thank you. I mis-typed eternal. Attilio ===== Attilio www.chinesedoctor.co.uk Chinese Traditional Medicine Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook. http://calendar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2003 Report Share Posted August 6, 2003 In a message dated 8/6/2003 9:06:57 AM Eastern Daylight Time, writes: Hi Chris This title from Jane Roberts comes very close "Seth Speaks: The Eternal Validity of the Soul" Author: Jane Roberts, Robert F. Butts, Seth Publisher: Amber-Allen Publishing Pub. June, 1994 Format: Paperback ISBN: 1878424076 Regards Alwin Thanks Alwin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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