Guest guest Posted August 2, 2003 Report Share Posted August 2, 2003 Ken Did you read The Dao of Chinese Med. What did you think? Alon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2003 Report Share Posted August 2, 2003 In a message dated 8/2/03 7:38:58 AM, Chinese Medicine writes: << Lon, I would not substitute machines for clinicians! But machines can be of extraordinary help to clinicians. Sometimes they detect pathology that the best clinician may have missed - for example, early-stage cancer, pre-clinical geneticly-determined diseases, eyc. >> Lon: Yes, my only point was your use of the word " basis " in regards to " holistic " medicine. It's important to acknowledge that no material approach, regardleess of how usefull or advanced, can ever be the basis of " holistic " medicine but can only ever be a source of input, always to be synthasized with other variables such as direct observation. The problem is that many people use such machines and are interested in such " objective " technology to the detriment and denial of their own capacities. I say " objective " because, from a certain perspective humans actually have the capacity to be objective as well and because the " objective " capacities of many of our machines are limited fundamentally by our own failure to be objective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2003 Report Share Posted August 2, 2003 Emotional level:What has to do with feeling, emotion or affect. Irritability, anxiety, sadness, fear, depression, homocidal feeling, suicidal feeling, complete absence of feeling.>>>>Except that these may be measurable by chemical and functional tests in the future Alon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2003 Report Share Posted August 2, 2003 Alwin, I view you as a kindred spirit. Thank you for your post. Emmanuel Segmen - Alwin van Egmond Chinese Medicine Saturday, August 02, 2003 12:53 AM Traditional (TCM) Re: Integral medicine Chinese Medicine , "Alwin van Egmond" <@v...> wrote:> Hi Ken, Lon> > Just my two cents> > Chinese Medicine , "kenrose2008" > <kenrose2008> wrote:> > Lon:> > > In fact, any medicine that uses measurement as its "basis" is > > > materialist > > > in nature and therfore could never, on its own, be holistic.> > Ken:> > I'm not sure that I understand the distinction> > you're making between materialistic and> > holistic. Are the two understood to be> > mutually exclusive?> > Alwin> I read 'materialistic' as being on the physical level. Holistic would > incorporate besides the physical level also the emotional and mental > level. And would any machine be capable of measuring anything on an > emotional or mental level? Or do we expect that everything on an > emotional or mental level can be projected on something on the > physical level?Alwin:To the holistic you might also add the spiritual level.For practitioners, students and those interested in Traditional (TCM) ranging from acupuncture, herbal medicine, tuina and nutrition.Membership rules require that you adhere to NO commercial postings, NO religious postings and NO spam.Web site homepage: Chinese Medicine/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2003 Report Share Posted August 2, 2003 Alon, > Ken > Did you read The Dao of Chinese Med. What did you think? > Alon No. Haven't seen it yet. Ken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2003 Report Share Posted August 2, 2003 Hey Alwin, Simply a notation here. Your emotional level left out every kind of feeling of joy, exaltation or sense of fulfillment. The ones you listed were those of the lowest harmonics and least transformed. Part of my internal cultivation is to consider emotion as a "gift" of energy provided at appropriate moments. Making use of the gifted energy or dispersing the gift are two options to consider. Emmanuel Segmen - Alwin van Egmond Chinese Medicine Saturday, August 02, 2003 5:29 AM Traditional (TCM) Re: Integral medicine Chinese Medicine , "kenrose2008" <kenrose2008> wrote:> Where do you draw the boundaries between> these supposed levels? These levels are definied in one of my textbooks "The clinical medicine guide; a holistic perspective" from Stephen Gascoigne. He gives a reference regarding this theorie of levels to "The Science of Homeopathy" by George Vithoulkas (Grove 1980).The levels are defined as:Physical level: those parts we can see, touch and perceive with our physical senses. Skin, muscles, joints, intestines, digestive system, lungs, central nervous system, liver, kidney, heart, endocrine system, blood - red and white blood cellsEmotional level:What has to do with feeling, emotion or affect. Irritability, anxiety, sadness, fear, depression, homocidal feeling, suicidal feeling, complete absence of feeling.Mental level:What has to do with thought, perception, cognition.Lack of concentration, poor memory, thought disorders, hallucinations, delusions, confusion, disintegration of the personality.AlwinFor practitioners, students and those interested in Traditional (TCM) ranging from acupuncture, herbal medicine, tuina and nutrition.Membership rules require that you adhere to NO commercial postings, NO religious postings and NO spam.Web site homepage: Chinese Medicine/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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