Guest guest Posted July 28, 2003 Report Share Posted July 28, 2003 i have always been able to feel and see the points. i came to this practice of medicine via a long study of the I Ching so i have always thought of this as energetic medicine. the flow of the tao in humans is called qi. seeing and feeling the points is just a way of tuning in on the patients energetic imbalance. i have usually found that the first touch is usually the most accurate as far as a successful treatment goes. it seems that the more involved i become intellectually the more difficult it becomes to reach out and touch the point. when i cant feel qi in that way (extreme stagnation or deficiency) i palpate along the channel to activate that magical magnetic bond that the points exude which stops my finger on the point. i mark the point with my fingernail then trace the channel in the other direction marking the point again. then X marks the spot where i needle. the since in japan there is a tradition of blind acupuncturists there must be a way to develop the sensitivity to feel the point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2003 Report Share Posted July 29, 2003 In a message dated 7/28/2003 10:24:33 PM Pacific Standard Time, ultrablue33 writes: How deep should the needle penetrate whenever applying it in a particular point? Do you have to move the needle up and down to stimulate the point? That depends upon the point being needled, its location, the angle required and for what purpose it is being needled/which effect you want to have on the point (tonification vs dispersing, for example). Most points are between .2 - .8 cun deep ... but some, like GB30 are much deeper, for obvious reasons. Also, some stimulation techniques require an up and down movement, however there are other techniques such as twisting back and forth, flicking, vibrating and even just holding the needle and so on. Basically, there isn't one pat answer for your question. It just depends. Be well, Maya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2003 Report Share Posted July 29, 2003 Questions: 1) what is 'energetic medicine'? 2) what does it mean to 'see and feel the qi'? 3) what is 'energetic imbalance'? 4) what is 'a magical magnetic bond'? Thanks, On Monday, July 28, 2003, at 06:52 PM, rizinrico wrote: > i have always been able to feel and see the points. i came to this > practice of medicine via a long study of the I Ching so i have always > thought of this as energetic medicine. the flow of the tao in humans > is called qi. seeing and feeling the points is just a way of tuning in > on the patients energetic imbalance. i have usually found that the > first touch is usually the most accurate as far as a successful > treatment goes. it seems that the more involved i become > intellectually the more difficult it becomes to reach out and touch > the point. when i cant feel qi in that way (extreme stagnation or > deficiency) i palpate along the channel to activate that magical > magnetic bond that the points exude which stops my finger on the > point. i mark the point with my fingernail then trace the channel in > the other direction marking the point again. then X marks the spot > where i needle. the since in japan there i! s a tradition of blind > acupuncturists there must be a way to develop the sensitivity to feel > the point. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2003 Report Share Posted July 29, 2003 Question, How deep should the needle penetrate whenever applying it in a particular point? Do you have to move the needle up and down to stimulate the point? Eric <zrosenbe wrote: Questions:1) what is 'energetic medicine'?2) what does it mean to 'see and feel the qi'?3) what is 'energetic imbalance'?4) what is 'a magical magnetic bond'?Thanks,On Monday, July 28, 2003, at 06:52 PM, rizinrico wrote:> i have always been able to feel and see the points. i came to this > practice of medicine via a long study of the I Ching so i have always > thought of this as energetic medicine. the flow of the tao in humans > is called qi. seeing and feeling the points is just a way of tuning in > on the patients energetic imbalance. i have usually found that the > first touch is usually the most accurate as far as a successful > treatment goes. it seems that the more involved i become > intellectually the more difficult it becomes to reach out and touch > the point. when i cant feel qi in that way (extreme stagnation or > deficiency) i palpate along the channel to activate that magical > magnetic bond that the points exude which stops my finger on the > point. i mark the point with my fingernail then trace the channel in > the other direction marking the point again. then X marks the spot > where i needle. the since in japan there i! s a tradition of blind > acupuncturists there must be a way to develop the sensitivity to feel > the point.> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2003 Report Share Posted July 29, 2003 Hi All, & Hi Eric Eric Chan wrote: > How deep should the needle penetrate whenever applying it in a > particular point? It depends on which AP School one follows. Many textbooks translated from Chinese give instructions on the direction and depth of needling. For example, Chinese Ap & Mobib (Foreign Languages Press, Beijing) says of CV09: needle perpendicularly 0.5-1.0 cun. However, even on this List [strictly speaking a TCM List], ther probably are followers of Japanese, Korean, Western and many other Schools of AP. Some Masters insert just a few mm; others go very deep. On points where I know I should be able to elicit Deqi, I needle (if my direction is correct) until I elicit it from human patiens. If I know (from needling myself) that a point rarely elicits Deqi, I go by common sense, i.e I do not needle too deeply and take care to avoid anatomical landmines (joints, body cavities, etc). > Do you have to move the needle up and down to stimulate the point? > Eric If I know from experience (or from immediate response on a first visit) that a particular patient is " hypo- " of " hyper- " reactive, I adjust my needling manipulation accordingly. As it causes less microtrauma, especially to blood vessels and nerves, I use twirling more than sparrow-pecking as a routine to elicit Deqi. In sensitive cases, simply sdvancing the needle to the correct depth (without other manipulation) elicits Deqi. Once I get Deqi, I usually leave the needle alone until just before removal, when I may twirl for a few seconds again. Best regards, WORK : Teagasc Staff Development Unit, Sandymount Ave., Dublin 4, Ireland WWW : Email: < Tel : 353-; [in the Republic: 0] HOME : 1 Esker Lawns, Lucan, Dublin, Ireland WWW : http://homepage.eircom.net/~progers/searchap.htm Email: < Tel : 353-; [in the Republic: 0] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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