Guest guest Posted June 16, 2003 Report Share Posted June 16, 2003 In a message dated 6/16/2003 10:31:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, susegmen writes: Emmanuel Segmen I will not defend myself any longer -- and I know this makes those of you who have perceived an olive branch as evil, very happy. This is unfortunate. But as I said earlier, we each have our own journeys to take. I was not at all thinking of any kind of kickback foolish man. The only way that could have happened is if \i personally gave these very good and honorbale people a person;s name. I was inviting you to take your own steps toward gaining greater skills. Period. I will repeat this agin for anybody with ears to hear. It is possible, I do it every day in my practice, so do many others practicing curing an allergy is not difficult - it is simply something not known and understood by you and most of the others on this chat list. You waste your time picking because you are suspicious and fail to see what could have helped so much. Nonetheless, I wish you all much health and wisdom on your individual journeys. You do not need to bump me from this list. You do not have that kind of power over me. I am at peace with my heart and soul and wish you peace in yours. Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2003 Report Share Posted June 17, 2003 Hi Mark, Seems to me that Phil, Z'ev, and Maya made themselves fairly plain. Phil noted that you stand to make $50 for each person who spends $850 on the weekend seminar. So pitching to a list of 350 people who have come to discuss some aspect of Chinese medicine is an efficacious sales move on your part. Pretty sweet ... even if only a few people buy in. Instead of excusing yourself, you kicked up the pitch a notch with each subsequent posting. At this point the efficacy of JMT is not in question. Your presentation as a colleague is not in question. You do not present yourself as a colleague. You present yourself as a relentless salesman. I recommend that you and Atillio, the moderator, have a discussion off to the side to evaluate your identity and your intentions. This the appropriate moment for Atillio to intervene. Emmanuel Segmen Merritt College, Asia Natural - Acudoctor5 Chinese Medicine Monday, June 16, 2003 7:12 PM Re: [Chinese Medicine] JMT - Another hyped scam? Maya,You are very gracious. At one time in history, something as benign as washing hands was under suspicion. It is sad that flim flam operators do exist, but so do honorable people with true intentions. Such was my offer to share information. If I am under suspicion by some, that issue belongs to the suspicious, if others are curious, curiosity belongs to them. Each person has there own journey to take, as you well know. Fear and suspicion will not further our cause. Enlightenment, and a ballywick of skill will enable and empower us.When I received my training, I sat with approximately 90 health care providers; 60% of whom were chiropractors. It is no secret that chiropractors are very aggressive and are even making it possible within their own ranks to practice acupuncture with a minimum of training in the USA. I believe it is imperative to empower ourselves as much as possible - in much the same way as any other wise integrative practitioner would. This issue is most certainly mine.As I understand it, the researchers of JMT are both trained in oriental medicine and each was not able to provide more than palliative help to their patients struggling with arthritis. For this reason, I was told, they began to look outside of TCM. As it is explained in a workbook I have, they were not able to consistently demonstrate any demonstrative relief for arthritis in particular. There was no clear evidence of cold or for that matter excesses or stagnaton of any kind in any of the channels. They had tried using the Japanese approach taught by Kiko Matsumoto - but this did not demonstrate any change to the deteriorating cartilage. They sought the help of Dr. William Bensky, OMD, and Dr. Bob Flaws, but were still not able to stop arthritis. The Chinese classics speak of EPF, recognizing the existance of pathogens, but were not able to provide much more than acknowledgement. This is a quantum leap for Oriental medicine for several reasons. The underlying foundation of this technique supports the concept of energetic medicine. What has been accomplished here has never been accomplished with western medicine. Additionally, the emphasis on the bladder meridian is one of the hallmarks of the technique as are certain other points: St36, Sp3, Li4, Lu7, K3 for instance.Please take the time to read the article in the archives of Alternative Medicine magazine. If I sound like an infomercial, it is certainly not my intention. However, I do not know how to communicate information to those of you who are interested in learning something very valuable without speaking about it.Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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