Guest guest Posted June 12, 2003 Report Share Posted June 12, 2003 Hi Laura, I've been living in England and am currently studying in a 5 year TCM degree course, but am from Toronto, Canada. I'm really pleased about the direction of licensing in BC and congratulate you. Is there a 5 year undergraduate TCM course in BC?- because when I was making my initial enquiries for degree courses in Canda, the States and Britain, it was only available in Britiain at the time. I would be pleased if TCM courses became more available in Canada. Also, I was just wondering if you have any up to date information on the licensing situation in Toronto, or leads where I may be able to obtain further information. Thanks, Christine Kim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2003 Report Share Posted June 13, 2003 Dear Kim I should let Laura respond but because we are having a banquet tonight to celebrate our licensing she may indeeed not be able to. All Dr.TCM licensing will require 3200 hours (5yrs) from now on with Board exams. TCMP(practitioners) will require 4 years.(2600 hrs), R.Ac 3 years (2000), R.Hb(2000). All B.C colleges, at the the big three, have followed these requirements. Toronto-Ontario is still aways behind in this process. ie they do not have a governing college board to write the bylaws. However, Alberta has and so does Quebec. It is up to the practitioners to get together without killing each other (ie those who practise in Ontario) to lobby their government so that they can put this together. The government would be happy to see a regulating body in place to protect the public. Once the government can recognize this group as being competent, you can be confered the licensing title as - and I still like Dr. TCM. > " c.kim " <c.kim >Chinese Medicine ><Chinese Medicine > >[Chinese Medicine] Dr. of TCM in BC >Thu, 12 Jun 2003 14:44:02 +0100 > >Hi Laura, > >I've been living in England and am currently studying in a 5 year TCM >degree course, but am from Toronto, Canada. I'm really pleased about the >direction of licensing in BC and congratulate you. Is there a 5 year >undergraduate TCM course in BC?- because when I was making my initial >enquiries for degree courses in Canda, the States and Britain, it was only >available in Britiain at the time. I would be pleased if TCM courses >became more available in Canada. > >Also, I was just wondering if you have any up to date information on the >licensing situation in Toronto, or leads where I may be able to obtain >further information. > >Thanks, >Christine Kim _______________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2003 Report Share Posted June 13, 2003 require 3200 hours (5yrs) >>>That seems low for 5 years as well as a dr degree alon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2003 Report Share Posted June 13, 2003 Alon Re. Low hours for Dr.TCM We don't count Saturday mourning Mandarin classes and Monday night Qigong. Dim Sum on Sunday is optional. This is a licensing title, not a dr. degree. No University in N.A. issues a Dr. Degree of TCM(although Simon Fraser University here in Vancouver has wanted to integrate some chinese studies with the colleges here and it could happen in a few years). But we do have a government in B.C.that recognizes us as a group - with other types of health care practitioners(Chiros, ND's etc.), as being able to practice as Dr. TCM. Are we as important to them as allopathic traditions? No and never will be. But we and only Dr. of TCM can practice and call ourselves under a reserved act TCM herbalists and acupuncturists in the eyes of the government, the insurance comps and the public. We gratefully acknowledge Dr. Henry Lu's stubborn insistence on being trained and recognized as Dr.of TCM first and being able to have that title rather than accepting being licensed as acupuncturists and then wanna be's. Yes, I agree with you, I think 3200 hours is low, because after 4 years of practice I am still spending at least 1000 hours a year studying, some of which (2%) I might even get as credits. But really Alon in the eyes of the public - those who are our supporters and who trust us and go to every other Doc there is, if we are to practice the full scope with " some authority " we need the title. What would you suggest? 600 more hours? I'm all for it. Can we do it on the beach, in Mexico? > " Alon Marcus " <alonmarcus >Chinese Medicine ><Chinese Medicine > >Re: [Chinese Medicine] Dr. of TCM in BC >Thu, 12 Jun 2003 19:50:34 -0500 > > require 3200 hours (5yrs) > >>>That seems low for 5 years as well as a dr degree >alon _______________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2003 Report Share Posted June 13, 2003 Most Doctorates are 4000 hours or more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2003 Report Share Posted June 14, 2003 Hello - my name is Matthew Bauer and I was invited to this group a couple weeks ago (thanks) and have been reading postings with interest. I thought I might jump in here as the question of how much education acupuncturists/OMD/Dr.TCM/etc., should have is taking an interesting turn here in California. Different Oriental medical groups have been fighting over this issue, specifically the desire by some in California to raise our entry-level education to 4,000 hours. This was strongly opposed by others who worked years to develop a post entry-level Doctorate degree that would require a minimum of 4,000 hours, 1,200 of those hours over and above entry-level education. The fighting became bitter and spilled over into California's legislative process. The State legislature here became frustrated with these bickering groups and asked an independent Commission to address the questions of a California Licensed Acupuncturist's scope of practice, education hours and whether or not to turn over the job of licensing exams and school accreditation to private national agencies. So, for what must be the first time in the history of Chinese/Oriental medicine, an independent body of non-specialists will be considering what scope of practice and training acupuncturists (at least in California) should have. It will be very interesting to see what recommendations this Commission - known as the Little Hoover Commission - will come up with. They will be inviting experts from various fields and interests to testify before them as well as forming a subcommittee of consultants to offer opinions/information to the Commission. I have been asked to participate on this subcommittee and will let you all know how this unfolds. In the mean time, I ask anyone with information on how different parties, especially governmental regulatory agencies, have dealt with these issues to write back. I am trying to help this Commission get as much useful information on this as possible so they will have a better chance of making productive and well thought out recommendations. Thanks for your consideration and I look forward to keeping up with future postings. Sincerely - Matt Bauer - Rod Le Blanc Chinese Medicine Thursday, June 12, 2003 4:52 PM Re: [Chinese Medicine] Dr. of TCM in BC Dear KimI should let Laura respond but because we are having a banquet tonight to celebrate our licensing she may indeeed not be able to. All Dr.TCM licensing will require 3200 hours (5yrs) from now on with Board exams. TCMP(practitioners) will require 4 years.(2600 hrs), R.Ac 3 years (2000), R.Hb(2000). All B.C colleges, at the the big three, have followed these requirements. Toronto-Ontario is still aways behind in this process. ie they do not have a governing college board to write the bylaws. However, Alberta has and so does Quebec. It is up to the practitioners to get together without killing each other (ie those who practise in Ontario) to lobby their government so that they can put this together. The government would be happy to see a regulating body in place to protect the public. Once the government can recognize this group as being competent, you can be confered the licensing title as - and I still like Dr. TCM.>"c.kim" <c.kim>Chinese Medicine ><Chinese Medicine >>[Chinese Medicine] Dr. of TCM in BC>Thu, 12 Jun 2003 14:44:02 +0100>>Hi Laura,>>I've been living in England and am currently studying in a 5 year TCM >degree course, but am from Toronto, Canada. I'm really pleased about the >direction of licensing in BC and congratulate you. Is there a 5 year >undergraduate TCM course in BC?- because when I was making my initial >enquiries for degree courses in Canda, the States and Britain, it was only >available in Britiain at the time. I would be pleased if TCM courses >became more available in Canada.>>Also, I was just wondering if you have any up to date information on the >licensing situation in Toronto, or leads where I may be able to obtain >further information.>>Thanks,>Christine Kim_______________The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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