Zangfu and the Bian Zheng Lunzhi in Healing Music

[Guest guest]

Attilio has correctly anticipated the destination. We shall indeed end up

with the identification of the 6 yin tones and the 6 yang tones that have

direct relevance to the meridians/organs and can be used for diagnosis and

treatment.

 

There are some transition models employed that bring in the time-honored

concepts of TCM while still dealing with the chakra model. Though the model

was complete as of the last writing the fun can now begin by applying some

of the concepts from the Yellow Emperor’s Classic.

 

From our last discussion we determined that each one of us resonates to

seven of the 12 keys. So what happens when a patient tests for a key that

is not part of their chakra system. This is exactly what happened during

the research and development phase of the healing music system. Using

myself as an example – I have seven chakra keys – Bb, C, D, Eb, F, G and A.

This morning before coming to work I knew I had to listen to Gb. Gb is not

one of my chakra keys. Obviously the Chakra model needs something.

 

“Ancient Chinese music theory oriented tonality around a pentatonic scale

(Kung, Shang, Cheuh, Jyy and Yu)….” Using the E pentatonic scale as an

example we get E, F#, G#, B and C# - Earth, Metal, Wood, Fire & Water.

Using enharmonics we can restate the tones as E, Gb, Ab, B and Db. (Please

note that we are using the tempered scale in these studies.)

 

From the above we can now see that I needed to rebalance my Metal this

morning. These five keys are the five missing keys in the chakra model

particular to my energetic system. So, in the Chakra System there are seven

particular keys and in the Five Elements System there are five.

 

 

 

 

The Five Elements Tonal System (FETS)

Energetic Imbalances Addressed Through:

Kinesiology, Healing Music & Deep Relaxation

http://www.swiftsite.com/musicmedicine

 

A tape you can do at home!

http://www.my-hypnocise.com

 

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[Guest guest]

So how do you use music in diagnostics as you said that you felt you

had to hear a particular note, which i fully understand. But how is

that then used in patients? Also from there, how do you use musical

notes to provide treatment?

 

Atti

 

Chinese Traditional Medicine , " Mike Legge "

<mflegge@h...> wrote:

> Attilio has correctly anticipated the destination. We shall

indeed end up

> with the identification of the 6 yin tones and the 6 yang tones

that have

> direct relevance to the meridians/organs and can be used for

diagnosis and

> treatment.

>

> There are some transition models employed that bring in the time-

honored

> concepts of TCM while still dealing with the chakra model. Though

the model

> was complete as of the last writing the fun can now begin by

applying some

> of the concepts from the Yellow Emperor's Classic.

>

> From our last discussion we determined that each one of us

resonates to

> seven of the 12 keys. So what happens when a patient tests for a

key that

> is not part of their chakra system. This is exactly what happened

during

> the research and development phase of the healing music system.

Using

> myself as an example – I have seven chakra keys – Bb, C, D, Eb, F,

G and A.

> This morning before coming to work I knew I had to listen to Gb.

Gb is not

> one of my chakra keys. Obviously the Chakra model needs something.

>

> " Ancient Chinese music theory oriented tonality around a

pentatonic scale

> (Kung, Shang, Cheuh, Jyy and Yu)…. " Using the E pentatonic scale

as an

> example we get E, F#, G#, B and C# - Earth, Metal, Wood, Fire &

Water.

> Using enharmonics we can restate the tones as E, Gb, Ab, B and

Db. (Please

> note that we are using the tempered scale in these studies.)

>

> From the above we can now see that I needed to rebalance my Metal

this

> morning. These five keys are the five missing keys in the chakra

model

> particular to my energetic system. So, in the Chakra System there

are seven

> particular keys and in the Five Elements System there are five.

>

>

>

>

> The Five Elements Tonal System (FETS)

> Energetic Imbalances Addressed Through:

> Kinesiology, Healing Music & Deep Relaxation

> http://www.swiftsite.com/musicmedicine

>

> A tape you can do at home!

> http://www.my-hypnocise.com

>

> _______________

> Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8.

> http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

[Guest guest]

Thank you Allilio for that question. It gives me an opportunity to move

from the theoretical into practical application.

 

When I said I needed to hear Gb I actually didn’t say either the tone or the

scale. I used a kind of shorthand. The full description is – I needed to

hear a piece of music composed in the key of Gb. Hearing just the tone

would do nothing to rebalance my metal. I understand that some music

healers will use repetive tones in order to induce a hypnotic state and/or

rebalance a chakra or organ. I abandoned that approach in favor of

“bathing” the patient with real music.

 

I did indeed listen to one of my pieces composed in the key of Gb. Now in

music there are 2 basic time signatures 3/4 time and 4/4 time. There are

other time signatures such as 6/8 or 2/4. In jazz there is a standard piece

called “Take Five” where the time signature is 5/4 time. It is interesting

to note that even when I tested professional jazz musicians for healing

music only the two basic time signatures showed up on the radar screen.

Further testing revealed that 3/4 time is yin and 4/4 time is yang.

 

The new full description is – I needed to hear a piece of music composed in

the key of Gb with a 3/4 time signature.

 

 

 

> " " <attiliodalberto

>Chinese Traditional Medicine

>Chinese Traditional Medicine

>[Chinese Traditional Medicine] Re: Zangfu and the Bian Zheng

>Lunzhi in Healing Music

>Thu, 15 May 2003 09:36:16 -0000

>

>So how do you use music in diagnostics as you said that you felt you

>had to hear a particular note, which i fully understand. But how is

>that then used in patients? Also from there, how do you use musical

>notes to provide treatment?

>

>Atti

>

>Chinese Traditional Medicine , " Mike Legge "

><mflegge@h...> wrote:

> > Attilio has correctly anticipated the destination. We shall

>indeed end up

> > with the identification of the 6 yin tones and the 6 yang tones

>that have

> > direct relevance to the meridians/organs and can be used for

>diagnosis and

> > treatment.

> >

> > There are some transition models employed that bring in the time-

>honored

> > concepts of TCM while still dealing with the chakra model. Though

>the model

> > was complete as of the last writing the fun can now begin by

>applying some

> > of the concepts from the Yellow Emperor's Classic.

> >

> > From our last discussion we determined that each one of us

>resonates to

> > seven of the 12 keys. So what happens when a patient tests for a

>key that

> > is not part of their chakra system. This is exactly what happened

>during

> > the research and development phase of the healing music system.

>Using

> > myself as an example – I have seven chakra keys – Bb, C, D, Eb, F,

>G and A.

> > This morning before coming to work I knew I had to listen to Gb.

>Gb is not

> > one of my chakra keys. Obviously the Chakra model needs something.

> >

> > " Ancient Chinese music theory oriented tonality around a

>pentatonic scale

> > (Kung, Shang, Cheuh, Jyy and Yu)…. " Using the E pentatonic scale

>as an

> > example we get E, F#, G#, B and C# - Earth, Metal, Wood, Fire &

>Water.

> > Using enharmonics we can restate the tones as E, Gb, Ab, B and

>Db. (Please

> > note that we are using the tempered scale in these studies.)

> >

> > From the above we can now see that I needed to rebalance my Metal

>this

> > morning. These five keys are the five missing keys in the chakra

>model

> > particular to my energetic system. So, in the Chakra System there

>are seven

> > particular keys and in the Five Elements System there are five.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > The Five Elements Tonal System (FETS)

> > Energetic Imbalances Addressed Through:

> > Kinesiology, Healing Music & Deep Relaxation

> > http://www.swiftsite.com/musicmedicine

> >

> > A tape you can do at home!

> > http://www.my-hypnocise.com

> >

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[Guest guest]

Attilio,

For the past few years at the PCOM fall conference, there has been a woman L.Ac. exhibiting a treatment plan based on tuning forks which are struck and then placed on points. Listening to the note also plays a role in the treatment. I haven't gotten a treatment from her yet, but I plan to due so that the San Diego conference this November. Perhaps someone on list knows this woman and her company. I didn't pick up her literature at the last show.

Emmanuel Segmen

 

-

 

Chinese Traditional Medicine

Thursday, May 15, 2003 2:36 AM

[Chinese Traditional Medicine] Re: Zangfu and the Bian Zheng Lunzhi in Healing Music

So how do you use music in diagnostics as you said that you felt you had to hear a particular note, which i fully understand. But how is that then used in patients? Also from there, how do you use musical notes to provide treatment?AttiChinese Traditional Medicine , "Mike Legge" <mflegge@h...> wrote:> Attilio has correctly anticipated the destination. We shall indeed end up > with the identification of the 6 yin tones and the 6 yang tones that have > direct relevance to the meridians/organs and can be used for diagnosis and > treatment.> > There are some transition models employed that bring in the time-honored > concepts of TCM while still dealing with the chakra model. Though the model > was complete as of the last writing the fun can now begin by applying some > of the concepts from the Yellow Emperor's Classic.> > From our last discussion we determined that each one of us resonates to > seven of the 12 keys. So what happens when a patient tests for a key that > is not part of their chakra system. This is exactly what happened during > the research and development phase of the healing music system. Using > myself as an example – I have seven chakra keys – Bb, C, D, Eb, F, G and A. > This morning before coming to work I knew I had to listen to Gb. Gb is not > one of my chakra keys. Obviously the Chakra model needs something.> > "Ancient Chinese music theory oriented tonality around a pentatonic scale > (Kung, Shang, Cheuh, Jyy and Yu)…." Using the E pentatonic scale as an > example we get E, F#, G#, B and C# - Earth, Metal, Wood, Fire & Water. > Using enharmonics we can restate the tones as E, Gb, Ab, B and Db. (Please > note that we are using the tempered scale in these studies.)> > From the above we can now see that I needed to rebalance my Metal this > morning. These five keys are the five missing keys in the chakra model > particular to my energetic system. So, in the Chakra System there are seven > particular keys and in the Five Elements System there are five.> > > > > The Five Elements Tonal System (FETS)> Energetic Imbalances Addressed Through:> Kinesiology, Healing Music & Deep Relaxation> http://www.swiftsite.com/musicmedicine> > A tape you can do at home!> http://www.my-hypnocise.com> > _______________> Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

[Guest guest]

Yes I’m very interested in that, thanks for informing me. If anyone of the list members can get hold of any info, web site link or email address of this practitioner, I’ll be very grateful.

 

I’m also interested in your views Mike, on the use of a tuning fork to treat people. How does that fit into your theory of things?

 

Zai jian

 

AttilioEmmanuel Segmen <susegmen wrote:

 

Attilio,

For the past few years at the PCOM fall conference, there has been a woman L.Ac. exhibiting a treatment plan based on tuning forks which are struck and then placed on points. Listening to the note also plays a role in the treatment. I haven't gotten a treatment from her yet, but I plan to due so that the San Diego conference this November. Perhaps someone on list knows this woman and her company. I didn't pick up her literature at the last show.

Emmanuel Segmen

 

-

 

Chinese Traditional Medicine

Thursday, May 15, 2003 2:36 AM

[Chinese Traditional Medicine] Re: Zangfu and the Bian Zheng Lunzhi in Healing Music

So how do you use music in diagnostics as you said that you felt you had to hear a particular note, which i fully understand. But how is that then used in patients? Also from there, how do you use musical notes to provide treatment?AttiChinese Traditional Medicine , "Mike Legge" <mflegge@h...> wrote:> Attilio has correctly anticipated the destination. We shall indeed end up > with the identification of the 6 yin tones and the 6 yang tones that have > direct relevance to the meridians/organs and can be used for diagnosis and > treatment.> > There are some transition models employed that bring in the time-honored > concepts of TCM while still dealing with the chakra model. Though the model > was complete as of the last writing the fun can now begin by applying some > of the concepts from the Yellow Emperor's Classic.> > From our last discussion we determined that each one of us resonates to > seven of the 12 keys. So what happens when a patient tests for a key that > is not part of their chakra system. This is exactly what happened during > the research and development phase of the healing music system. Using > myself as an example – I have seven chakra keys – Bb, C, D, Eb, F, G and A. > This morning before coming to work I knew I had to listen to Gb. Gb is not > one of my chakra keys. Obviously the Chakra model needs something.> > "Ancient Chinese music theory oriented tonality around a pentatonic scale > (Kung, Shang, Cheuh, Jyy and Yu)…." Using the E pentatonic scale as an > example we get E, F#, G#, B and C# - Earth, Metal, Wood, Fire & Water. > Using enharmonics we can restate the tones as E, Gb, Ab, B and Db. (Please > note that we are using the tempered scale in these studies.)> > From the above we can now see that I needed to rebalance my Metal this > morning. These five keys are the five missing keys in the chakra model > particular to my energetic system. So, in the Chakra System there are seven > particular keys and in the Five Elements System there are five.> > > > > The Five Elements Tonal System (FETS)> Energetic Imbalances Addressed Through:> Kinesiology, Healing Music & Deep Relaxation> http://www.swiftsite.com/musicmedicine> > A tape you can do at home!> http://www.my-hypnocise.com> > _______________> Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

[Guest guest]

So as I understand, your diagnostic techniques are based upon Five element theory. I once attended a lecture of Five element theory being used along and found it to be quite restricted, as did other TCM practitioners.

 

Can you please present a full case study so I can better understand your theory and see it illustrated in a clinical practise setting?

 

Also do you have a comprehensive syndrome differentiation listing with musical treatment strategy?

 

Zai Jian

 

AttilioMike Legge <mflegge wrote:

Thank you Allilio for that question. It gives me an opportunity to move from the theoretical into practical application.When I said I needed to hear Gb I actually didn’t say either the tone or the scale. I used a kind of shorthand. The full description is – I needed to hear a piece of music composed in the key of Gb. Hearing just the tone would do nothing to rebalance my metal. I understand that some music healers will use repetive tones in order to induce a hypnotic state and/or rebalance a chakra or organ. I abandoned that approach in favor of “bathing” the patient with real music.I did indeed listen to one of my pieces composed in the key of Gb. Now in music there are 2 basic time signatures 3/4 time and 4/4 time. There are other time signatures such as 6/8 or 2/4. In jazz there is a standard piece called “Take Five” where the time signature is 5/4 time. It is interesting to note that even when I tested professional jazz musicians for healing music only the two basic time signatures showed up on the radar screen. Further testing revealed that 3/4 time is yin and 4/4 time is yang.The new full description is – I needed to hear a piece of music composed in the key of Gb with a 3/4 time signature.>"" >Chinese Traditional Medicine >Chinese Traditional Medicine >[Chinese Traditional Medicine] Re: Zangfu and the Bian Zheng >Lunzhi in Healing Music>Thu, 15 May 2003 09:36:16 -0000>>So how do you use music in diagnostics as you said that you felt you>had to hear a particular note, which i fully understand. But how is>that then used in patients? Also from there, how do you use musical>notes to provide treatment?>>Atti>>Chinese Traditional Medicine , "Mike Legge"> wrote:> > Attilio has correctly anticipated the destination. We shall>indeed end up> > with the identification of the 6 yin tones and the 6 yang tones>that have> > direct relevance to the meridians/organs and can be used for>diagnosis and> > treatment.> >> > There are some transition models employed that bring in the time->honored> > concepts of TCM while still dealing with the chakra model. Though>the model> > was complete as of the last writing the fun can now begin by>applying some> > of the concepts from the Yellow Emperor's Classic.> >> > From our last discussion we determined that each one of us>resonates to> > seven of the 12 keys. So what happens when a patient tests for a>key that> > is not part of their chakra system. This is exactly what happened>during> > the research and development phase of the healing music system.>Using> > myself as an example – I have seven chakra keys – Bb, C, D, Eb, F,>G and A.> > This morning before coming to work I knew I had to listen to Gb.>Gb is not> > one of my chakra keys. Obviously the Chakra model needs something.> >> > "Ancient Chinese music theory oriented tonality around a>pentatonic scale> > (Kung, Shang, Cheuh, Jyy and Yu)…." Using the E pentatonic scale>as an> > example we get E, F#, G#, B and C# - Earth, Metal, Wood, Fire & >Water.> > Using enharmonics we can restate the tones as E, Gb, Ab, B and>Db. (Please> > note that we are using the tempered scale in these studies.)> >> > From the above we can now see that I needed to rebalance my Metal>this> > morning. These five keys are the five missing keys in the chakra>model> > particular to my energetic system. So, in the Chakra System there>are seven> > particular keys and in the Five Elements System there are five.> >> >> >> >> > The Five Elements Tonal System (FETS)> > Energetic Imbalances Addressed Through:> > Kinesiology, Healing Music & Deep Relaxation> > http://www.swiftsite.com/musicmedicine> >> > A tape you can do at home!> > http://www.my-hypnocise.com> >> > _______________> > Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8.> > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail>_______________STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

[Guest guest]

I have the 12 forks myself. They were manufactured in Britain. Some years

ago my acupuncturist had an intern who was using tuning forks as part of

research and development. This took place before I arrived on the scene so I

really don’t know how it turned out. I know that points can be stimulated

by other than needles. For example a small hand held lazer could be used to

activate a point. My guess is that tuning forks can be used to activate

points. Maybe we can somehow recruit such a practitioner into our group. I

think the technical term for the technique is called sonopuncture.

http://www.acupuncture.com has some info on the technique. I have

communicated with the woman running http://www.sonopuncture.org and she

could be a valuable resource for us also.

 

>Attilio D'Alberto <attiliodalberto

>Chinese Traditional Medicine

>Chinese Traditional Medicine

>Re: [Chinese Traditional Medicine] Re: Zangfu and the Bian Zheng

>Lunzhi in Healing Music

>Fri, 16 May 2003 14:05:02 +0100 (BST)

>

>

>Yes I’m very interested in that, thanks for informing me. If anyone of the

>list members can get hold of any info, web site link or email address of

>this practitioner, I’ll be very grateful.

>

>

>

>I’m also interested in your views Mike, on the use of a tuning fork to

>treat people. How does that fit into your theory of things?

>

>

>

>Zai jian

>

>

>

>Attilio

>

>

>Emmanuel Segmen <susegmen wrote:Attilio,

> For the past few years at the PCOM fall conference, there has been a

>woman L.Ac. exhibiting a treatment plan based on tuning forks which are

>struck and then placed on points. Listening to the note also plays a role

>in the treatment. I haven't gotten a treatment from her yet, but I plan to

>due so that the San Diego conference this November. Perhaps someone on

>list knows this woman and her company. I didn't pick up her literature at

>the last show.

>Emmanuel Segmen

>-

>

>Chinese Traditional Medicine

>Thursday, May 15, 2003 2:36 AM

>[Chinese Traditional Medicine] Re: Zangfu and the Bian Zheng

>Lunzhi in Healing Music

>

>

>So how do you use music in diagnostics as you said that you felt you

>had to hear a particular note, which i fully understand. But how is

>that then used in patients? Also from there, how do you use musical

>notes to provide treatment?

>

>Atti

>

>Chinese Traditional Medicine , " Mike Legge "

><mflegge@h...> wrote:

> > Attilio has correctly anticipated the destination. We shall

>indeed end up

> > with the identification of the 6 yin tones and the 6 yang tones

>that have

> > direct relevance to the meridians/organs and can be used for

>diagnosis and

> > treatment.

> >

> > There are some transition models employed that bring in the time-

>honored

> > concepts of TCM while still dealing with the chakra model. Though

>the model

> > was complete as of the last writing the fun can now begin by

>applying some

> > of the concepts from the Yellow Emperor's Classic.

> >

> > From our last discussion we determined that each one of us

>resonates to

> > seven of the 12 keys. So what happens when a patient tests for a

>key that

> > is not part of their chakra system. This is exactly what happened

>during

> > the research and development phase of the healing music system.

>Using

> > myself as an example – I have seven chakra keys – Bb, C, D, Eb, F,

>G and A.

> > This morning before coming to work I knew I had to listen to Gb.

>Gb is not

> > one of my chakra keys. Obviously the Chakra model needs something.

> >

> > " Ancient Chinese music theory oriented tonality around a

>pentatonic scale

> > (Kung, Shang, Cheuh, Jyy and Yu)…. " Using the E pentatonic scale

>as an

> > example we get E, F#, G#, B and C# - Earth, Metal, Wood, Fire &

>Water.

> > Using enharmonics we can restate the tones as E, Gb, Ab, B and

>Db. (Please

> > note that we are using the tempered scale in these studies.)

> >

> > From the above we can now see that I needed to rebalance my Metal

>this

> > morning. These five keys are the five missing keys in the chakra

>model

> > particular to my energetic system. So, in the Chakra System there

>are seven

> > particular keys and in the Five Elements System there are five.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > The Five Elements Tonal System (FETS)

> > Energetic Imbalances Addressed Through:

> > Kinesiology, Healing Music & Deep Relaxation

> > http://www.swiftsite.com/musicmedicine

> >

> > A tape you can do at home!

> > http://www.my-hypnocise.com

> >

> > _______________

> > Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8.

> > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Prof. Neal White

 

I'd like to draw your attention to the interesting book by Lloyd and Pirog,

ACUTONE (available from Redwing mail order), which outlines in detail a

tuning fork acupuncture point system, or systems (five element and zang fu

oriented), based on ancient principles. Lloyd also sells very fine tuning

fork sets dedicated to the system utilized. Neal.

 

-

" Mike Legge " <mflegge

<Chinese Traditional Medicine >

Friday, May 16, 2003 10:01 AM

Re: [Chinese Traditional Medicine] Re: Zangfu and the Bian Zheng

Lunzhi in Healing Music

 

 

>

> I have the 12 forks myself. They were manufactured in Britain. Some

years

> ago my acupuncturist had an intern who was using tuning forks as part of

> research and development. This took place before I arrived on the scene so

I

> really don't know how it turned out. I know that points can be stimulated

> by other than needles. For example a small hand held lazer could be used

to

> activate a point. My guess is that tuning forks can be used to activate

> points. Maybe we can somehow recruit such a practitioner into our group.

I

> think the technical term for the technique is called sonopuncture.

> http://www.acupuncture.com has some info on the technique. I have

> communicated with the woman running http://www.sonopuncture.org and she

> could be a valuable resource for us also.

>

> >Attilio D'Alberto <attiliodalberto

> >Chinese Traditional Medicine

> >Chinese Traditional Medicine

> >Re: [Chinese Traditional Medicine] Re: Zangfu and the Bian Zheng

> >Lunzhi in Healing Music

> >Fri, 16 May 2003 14:05:02 +0100 (BST)

> >

> >

> >Yes I'm very interested in that, thanks for informing me. If anyone of

the

> >list members can get hold of any info, web site link or email address of

> >this practitioner, I'll be very grateful.

> >

> >

> >

> >I'm also interested in your views Mike, on the use of a tuning fork to

> >treat people. How does that fit into your theory of things?

> >

> >

> >

> >Zai jian

> >

> >

> >

> >Attilio

> >

> >

> >Emmanuel Segmen <susegmen wrote:Attilio,

> > For the past few years at the PCOM fall conference, there has been a

> >woman L.Ac. exhibiting a treatment plan based on tuning forks which are

> >struck and then placed on points. Listening to the note also plays a

role

> >in the treatment. I haven't gotten a treatment from her yet, but I plan

to

> >due so that the San Diego conference this November. Perhaps someone on

> >list knows this woman and her company. I didn't pick up her literature

at

> >the last show.

> >Emmanuel Segmen

> >-

> >

> >Chinese Traditional Medicine

> >Thursday, May 15, 2003 2:36 AM

> >[Chinese Traditional Medicine] Re: Zangfu and the Bian Zheng

> >Lunzhi in Healing Music

> >

> >

> >So how do you use music in diagnostics as you said that you felt you

> >had to hear a particular note, which i fully understand. But how is

> >that then used in patients? Also from there, how do you use musical

> >notes to provide treatment?

> >

> >Atti

> >

> >Chinese Traditional Medicine , " Mike Legge "

> ><mflegge@h...> wrote:

> > > Attilio has correctly anticipated the destination. We shall

> >indeed end up

> > > with the identification of the 6 yin tones and the 6 yang tones

> >that have

> > > direct relevance to the meridians/organs and can be used for

> >diagnosis and

> > > treatment.

> > >

> > > There are some transition models employed that bring in the time-

> >honored

> > > concepts of TCM while still dealing with the chakra model. Though

> >the model

> > > was complete as of the last writing the fun can now begin by

> >applying some

> > > of the concepts from the Yellow Emperor's Classic.

> > >

> > > From our last discussion we determined that each one of us

> >resonates to

> > > seven of the 12 keys. So what happens when a patient tests for a

> >key that

> > > is not part of their chakra system. This is exactly what happened

> >during

> > > the research and development phase of the healing music system.

> >Using

> > > myself as an example - I have seven chakra keys - Bb, C, D, Eb, F,

> >G and A.

> > > This morning before coming to work I knew I had to listen to Gb.

> >Gb is not

> > > one of my chakra keys. Obviously the Chakra model needs something.

> > >

> > > " Ancient Chinese music theory oriented tonality around a

> >pentatonic scale

> > > (Kung, Shang, Cheuh, Jyy and Yu).. " Using the E pentatonic scale

> >as an

> > > example we get E, F#, G#, B and C# - Earth, Metal, Wood, Fire &

> >Water.

> > > Using enharmonics we can restate the tones as E, Gb, Ab, B and

> >Db. (Please

> > > note that we are using the tempered scale in these studies.)

> > >

> > > From the above we can now see that I needed to rebalance my Metal

> >this

> > > morning. These five keys are the five missing keys in the chakra

> >model

> > > particular to my energetic system. So, in the Chakra System there

> >are seven

> > > particular keys and in the Five Elements System there are five.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > The Five Elements Tonal System (FETS)

> > > Energetic Imbalances Addressed Through:

> > > Kinesiology, Healing Music & Deep Relaxation

> > > http://www.swiftsite.com/musicmedicine

> > >

> > > A tape you can do at home!

> > > http://www.my-hypnocise.com

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[Guest guest]

Excellent! Thank you very much Neil. If anyone else is interested,

the direct link to this book at redwings' is:

 

http://www.redwingbooks.com/products/books/AcuNewSysHea.cfm

 

Attilio

 

Chinese Traditional Medicine , " renee white "

<mamimami@t...> wrote:

> Prof. Neal White

>

> I'd like to draw your attention to the interesting book by Lloyd

and Pirog,

> ACUTONE (available from Redwing mail order), which outlines in

detail a

> tuning fork acupuncture point system, or systems (five element and

zang fu

> oriented), based on ancient principles. Lloyd also sells very

fine tuning

> fork sets dedicated to the system utilized. Neal.

>

> -

> " Mike Legge " <mflegge@h...>

> <Chinese Traditional Medicine >

> Friday, May 16, 2003 10:01 AM

> Re: [Chinese Traditional Medicine] Re: Zangfu and the

Bian Zheng

> Lunzhi in Healing Music

>

>

> >

> > I have the 12 forks myself. They were manufactured in Britain.

Some

> years

> > ago my acupuncturist had an intern who was using tuning forks as

part of

> > research and development. This took place before I arrived on

the scene so

> I

> > really don't know how it turned out. I know that points can be

stimulated

> > by other than needles. For example a small hand held lazer

could be used

> to

> > activate a point. My guess is that tuning forks can be used to

activate

> > points. Maybe we can somehow recruit such a practitioner into

our group.

> I

> > think the technical term for the technique is called

sonopuncture.

> > http://www.acupuncture.com has some info on the technique. I

have

> > communicated with the woman running http://www.sonopuncture.org

and she

> > could be a valuable resource for us also.

> >

> > >Attilio D'Alberto <attiliodalberto>

> > >Chinese Traditional Medicine

> > >Chinese Traditional Medicine

> > >Re: [Chinese Traditional Medicine] Re: Zangfu and the

Bian Zheng

> > >Lunzhi in Healing Music

> > >Fri, 16 May 2003 14:05:02 +0100 (BST)

> > >

> > >

> > >Yes I'm very interested in that, thanks for informing me. If

anyone of

> the

> > >list members can get hold of any info, web site link or email

address of

> > >this practitioner, I'll be very grateful.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >I'm also interested in your views Mike, on the use of a tuning

fork to

> > >treat people. How does that fit into your theory of things?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >Zai jian

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >Attilio

> > >

> > >

> > >Emmanuel Segmen <susegmen@i...> wrote:Attilio,

> > > For the past few years at the PCOM fall conference, there

has been a

> > >woman L.Ac. exhibiting a treatment plan based on tuning forks

which are

> > >struck and then placed on points. Listening to the note also

plays a

> role

> > >in the treatment. I haven't gotten a treatment from her yet,

but I plan

> to

> > >due so that the San Diego conference this November. Perhaps

someone on

> > >list knows this woman and her company. I didn't pick up her

literature

> at

> > >the last show.

> > >Emmanuel Segmen

> > >-

> > >

> > >Chinese Traditional Medicine

> > >Thursday, May 15, 2003 2:36 AM

> > >[Chinese Traditional Medicine] Re: Zangfu and the Bian

Zheng

> > >Lunzhi in Healing Music

> > >

> > >

> > >So how do you use music in diagnostics as you said that you

felt you

> > >had to hear a particular note, which i fully understand. But

how is

> > >that then used in patients? Also from there, how do you use

musical

> > >notes to provide treatment?

> > >

> > >Atti

> > >

> > >Chinese Traditional Medicine , " Mike

Legge "

> > ><mflegge@h...> wrote:

> > > > Attilio has correctly anticipated the destination. We shall

> > >indeed end up

> > > > with the identification of the 6 yin tones and the 6 yang

tones

> > >that have

> > > > direct relevance to the meridians/organs and can be used for

> > >diagnosis and

> > > > treatment.

> > > >

> > > > There are some transition models employed that bring in the

time-

> > >honored

> > > > concepts of TCM while still dealing with the chakra model.

Though

> > >the model

> > > > was complete as of the last writing the fun can now begin by

> > >applying some

> > > > of the concepts from the Yellow Emperor's Classic.

> > > >

> > > > From our last discussion we determined that each one of us

> > >resonates to

> > > > seven of the 12 keys. So what happens when a patient tests

for a

> > >key that

> > > > is not part of their chakra system. This is exactly what

happened

> > >during

> > > > the research and development phase of the healing music

system.

> > >Using

> > > > myself as an example - I have seven chakra keys - Bb, C, D,

Eb, F,

> > >G and A.

> > > > This morning before coming to work I knew I had to listen to

Gb.

> > >Gb is not

> > > > one of my chakra keys. Obviously the Chakra model needs

something.

> > > >

> > > > " Ancient Chinese music theory oriented tonality around a

> > >pentatonic scale

> > > > (Kung, Shang, Cheuh, Jyy and Yu).. " Using the E pentatonic

scale

> > >as an

> > > > example we get E, F#, G#, B and C# - Earth, Metal, Wood,

Fire &

> > >Water.

> > > > Using enharmonics we can restate the tones as E, Gb, Ab, B

and

> > >Db. (Please

> > > > note that we are using the tempered scale in these studies.)

> > > >

> > > > From the above we can now see that I needed to rebalance my

Metal

> > >this

> > > > morning. These five keys are the five missing keys in the

chakra

> > >model

> > > > particular to my energetic system. So, in the Chakra System

there

> > >are seven

> > > > particular keys and in the Five Elements System there are

five.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > The Five Elements Tonal System (FETS)

> > > > Energetic Imbalances Addressed Through:

> > > > Kinesiology, Healing Music & Deep Relaxation

> > > > http://www.swiftsite.com/musicmedicine

> > > >

> > > > A tape you can do at home!

> > > > http://www.my-hypnocise.com

> > > >

> > > >

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