Guest guest Posted October 26, 2003 Report Share Posted October 26, 2003 Hello all, My dog has an autoimmune disease. He was going to a traditional acupuncturist vet who was a master herbalist who formulated his own tinctures. He pronounced Lucky pretty kidney deficient (Western tests reveal normal function) and had him on some kidney jing herbals. Although they obviously make him feel better (more energetic, etc.) they threw his autoimmune skin disease OUT of remission. The vet could not figure it out, he said nothing in the herbal formulation would cause that, but the facts speak for themselves, and FYI, I do have faith in this vet, he is very well versed in herbs. I have since stopped all herbals long ago and am working on the immune system with other modalities. I understand the basics of TCM and how the kidneys relate to the immune system. I would like to get him on the basic kidney ying herbals though because I think supporting the kidneys in old age (he's 12) is important. What are the good formula's and does anybody know the best place to buy them? I have found tinctures more absorbable. He is 100 lbs. Susie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2003 Report Share Posted October 26, 2003 This makes sense. Herring's Law of healing -- You heal from the head down, from inside out in and in the reverse order. ---- eg. The dog is possible in a healing crisis. The path it took to become kidney deficient may have well been the auto immune condition. The dog MAY be going " reverse order " down the path. Recovery will be achieve at the end. continue strengthen the kidney and support the auto immune condition. Meaning get to the source of what is causing the auto immune condition. Look for parasites, worms and the likes also, support with nervine/adrenals herbs or food. Definitely needs LIVER support. Healing crisis as it is called can usually occurs when to much to fast is done to rebalance a condition. you can go with it or reduce dosage to move/ re-balance the condition a little slower. Hopes this help. PS: I'm western trained Just getting to understanding TCM. So it is written from that angle. Hope it brings some understanding to you fredsus1 <fredsus1 wrote: Hello all, My dog has an autoimmune disease. He was going to a traditional acupuncturist vet who was a master herbalist who formulated his own tinctures. He pronounced Lucky pretty kidney deficient (Western tests reveal normal function) and had him on some kidney jing herbals. Although they obviously make him feel better (more energetic, etc.) they threw his autoimmune skin disease OUT of remission. The vet could not figure it out, he said nothing in the herbal formulation would cause that, but the facts speak for themselves, and FYI, I do have faith in this vet, he is very well versed in herbs. I have since stopped all herbals long ago and am working on the immune system with other modalities. I understand the basics of TCM and how the kidneys relate to the immune system. I would like to get him on the basic kidney ying herbals though because I think supporting the kidneys in old age (he's 12) is important. What are the good formula's and does anybody know the best place to buy them? I have found tinctures more absorbable. He is 100 lbs. Susie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2003 Report Share Posted October 26, 2003 I understand that, and that makes sense to a point, either that or that healing modality is not the one for him. He was walking a good balance and lost control. Since he is an old dog, I prefer to take things slow. He has SA, an extremely difficult autoimmune disease to control, no matter what holistic modality is being used. He has been on a raw diet, minimal vaccs, etc. What finally pulled him out of it was HSO's soil based organisms and what put him into remission was Moducare (plant sterols/sterolins) a supplement designed for autoimmune conditions. He was in remission for over 3 years and then when kidney herbals (and wind/heat for a few months) were introduced (and the formula changed a few times) he completely lost control and ended up on antibiotics (I can suffer through a " healing crisis " , an old dog should not be allowed to suffer, even his holistic vet wrote out a rx for abx.) Now I am trying Transfer Factors (educating the immune system) and am not really looking to heal him via TCM but do believe in the importance of kidney herbals for him and I know they did have liver support. I was completely dedicated to the TCM modality for all my animals but with Lucky and the condition he is in, I am pulling back and incorporating different things, (more nutraceutical). SA can only be managed. I would still like to know a classic kidney herbal formula that I can put him on myself ) Susie Chinese Traditional Medicine , mitchell shelford <mytchell37> wrote: > This makes sense. Herring's Law of healing -- You heal from the head down, from inside out in and in the reverse order. ---- eg. The dog is possible in a healing crisis. The path it took to become kidney deficient may have well been the auto immune condition. The dog MAY be going " reverse order " down the path. Recovery will be achieve at the end. > continue strengthen the kidney and support the auto immune condition. Meaning get to the source of what is causing the auto immune condition. Look for parasites, worms and the likes also, support with nervine/adrenals herbs or food. Definitely needs LIVER support. Healing crisis as it is called can usually occurs when to much to fast is done to rebalance a condition. you can go with it or reduce dosage to move/ re-balance the condition a little slower. > Hopes this help. PS: I'm western trained Just getting to understanding TCM. So it is written from that angle. Hope it brings some understanding to you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2003 Report Share Posted October 27, 2003 Hi Susie Just curious, where did you get your Transfer Factor. I was looking for it for a puppy with parvo & couldn't find it. Thanks Lisa fredsus1 <fredsus1 wrote: I understand that, and that makes sense to a point, either that or that healing modality is not the one for him. He was walking a good balance and lost control. Since he is an old dog, I prefer to take things slow. He has SA, an extremely difficult autoimmune disease to control, no matter what holistic modality is being used. He has been on a raw diet, minimal vaccs, etc. What finally pulled him out of it was HSO's soil based organisms and what put him into remission was Moducare (plant sterols/sterolins) a supplement designed for autoimmune conditions. He was in remission for over 3 years and then when kidney herbals (and wind/heat for a few months) were introduced (and the formula changed a few times) he completely lost control and ended up on antibiotics (I can suffer through a " healing crisis " , an old dog should not be allowed to suffer, even his holistic vet wrote out a rx for abx.) Now I am trying Transfer Factors (educating the immune system) and am not really looking to heal him via TCM but do believe in the importance of kidney herbals for him and I know they did have liver support. I was completely dedicated to the TCM modality for all my animals but with Lucky and the condition he is in, I am pulling back and incorporating different things, (more nutraceutical). SA can only be managed. I would still like to know a classic kidney herbal formula that I can put him on myself ) Susie Chinese Traditional Medicine , mitchell shelford <mytchell37> wrote: > This makes sense. Herring's Law of healing -- You heal from the head down, from inside out in and in the reverse order. ---- eg. The dog is possible in a healing crisis. The path it took to become kidney deficient may have well been the auto immune condition. The dog MAY be going " reverse order " down the path. Recovery will be achieve at the end. > continue strengthen the kidney and support the auto immune condition. Meaning get to the source of what is causing the auto immune condition. Look for parasites, worms and the likes also, support with nervine/adrenals herbs or food. Definitely needs LIVER support. Healing crisis as it is called can usually occurs when to much to fast is done to rebalance a condition. you can go with it or reduce dosage to move/ re-balance the condition a little slower. > Hopes this help. PS: I'm western trained Just getting to understanding TCM. So it is written from that angle. Hope it brings some understanding to you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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