Digest Number 951

[Guest guest]

Hi Everyone,

 

Even though I joined the list a few months ago, I haven't had time to come

on and introduce myself. I got married in June, but only now have things

calmed down somewhat.

 

So HELLO! And Merry Meeting!

 

I'm gonna address a backlog of things here - please forgive me.

 

HP soap - I use the stove method, where you put traced soap into a large

stainless bowl, then on top of a bain-maire, cover with foil and let sit for

an hour. After one hour, stir, then let sit for another 20 if needed. Add

oils and pour. I DO believe, anectdotally, that the oils are stronger

smelling and more effective afterward with HP.

 

Vitex hydrosal: Let me first just say that I have fallen in LOVE with the

smell of vitex!!! Vitex and a bit of rose - oh yummy! I am curious

what/how other people are using vitex. I have used the hydrosol in a

lotion with rose and it was dreamy.

 

There is probably more to say, but it's dinner time -

 

Nice to meet everyone!!

 

Jen

 

P.S. Butch - it was a NICE honeymoon!! and I have stories of catnip usage

in the tropics later.

[Guest guest]

Hi there! I am new to this group, my major interest is acupuncture (I'm a

brazilian physician and acupuncturist btw!), I read some coments on CFS/ME and

got interested.

 

Any of you used the idea of fibromyalgia as an imbalance of Yin and Yang

QiaoMais?

 

Any input are welcome!

 

Gustavo Daud Amadera

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hello gustavo;

 

I'm not an acupuncturist or doctor, but , I do have FMS.

 

I am new to Chinese Healing.

 

I have tried acupuncture in the past.

 

By being in this group, I'm hoping to learn more about ways that I will be able

to help myself.

 

Hope your day is going well.

 

Irene - Marie

 

GOD BLESS!!!

 

 

 

 

gustavo amadera <acupuntur wrote:

Hi there! I am new to this group, my major interest is acupuncture (I'm a

brazilian physician and acupuncturist btw!), I read some coments on CFS/ME and

got interested.

 

Any of you used the idea of fibromyalgia as an imbalance of Yin and Yang

QiaoMais?

 

Any input are welcome!

 

Gustavo Daud Amadera

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi Gustavo,

Try to see fibromyalgia as Bi Syndrome.

Take a look too on Gall Blader and Liver... Usually u'll find a previous

Liver Stagnation due to Nei Yin .

I've got some patients going on fibromyalgia, and they are all well now. I

used Auriculotherapy ( by Huang Li Chun) and Tui Na.

Be confortable to write in portuguese to my private e-mail,

robertablanco

Roberta

[Guest guest]

Every case of fibro I have seen has a hx of constipation. Make sure you also

take care of the biological terrain of the colon.

 

 

S

In a message dated 9/22/03 10:34:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

robertablanco writes:

 

> Hi Gustavo,

> Try to see fibromyalgia as Bi Syndrome.

> Take a look too on Gall Blader and Liver... Usually u'll find a previous

> Liver Stagnation due to Nei Yin .

> I've got some patients going on fibromyalgia, and they are all well now. I

> used Auriculotherapy ( by Huang Li Chun) and Tui Na.

> Be confortable to write in portuguese to my private e-mail,

> robertablanco

> Roberta

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Have you ever had Candida or Epstein Barre syndrome.

 

How wonderful to have never been constipated.   Not even if you took meds

(you might not have ever taken them either)? How cool.

 

My experience however has been a common theme of constipation.

 

Do you know your fibro trigger? What therapy has been effective for you?

 

S

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Pardon me for budding into your conversation here.

 

But.....

 

I have had FMS for over 20 yrs. and never have had constipation.

 

 

 

 

SacredQi888 wrote:

Every case of fibro I have seen has a hx of constipation. Make sure you also

take care of the biological terrain of the colon.

 

 

S

In a message dated 9/22/03 10:34:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

robertablanco writes:

 

> Hi Gustavo,

> Try to see fibromyalgia as Bi Syndrome.

> Take a look too on Gall Blader and Liver... Usually u'll find a previous

> Liver Stagnation due to Nei Yin .

> I've got some patients going on fibromyalgia, and they are all well now. I

> used Auriculotherapy ( by Huang Li Chun) and Tui Na.

> Be confortable to write in portuguese to my private e-mail,

> robertablanco

> Roberta

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

> Have you ever had Candida or Epstein Barre syndrome.

>

> How wonderful to have never been constipated.   Not even if you

took meds

> (you might not have ever taken them either)? How cool.

 

I know a number of FMS sufferers who don't have the constipation. I

did, but some do not. (It was due to Yang Deficiency, Cold, and

magnesium deficiency in my case. It was colonic inertia. There are

different types of constipation because there are different Roots.)

 

I do have a history of Candida. As for Epstein Barr Syndrome, I had

recurring and chronic mononucleosis (glandular fever). There were

elevated titers to both Epstein Barr Virus (EBV) and Cytomegalovirus

(CMV). Something like 90% of cases of mononucleosis are due to EBV.

Most of the remaining 10% are due to CMV. (Info from National

Institute of Health.)

 

What is the difference between Epstein Barr Syndrome and Chronic or

Recurring Mononucleosis? A positive monospot test. That's a

simplified explanation.

 

Since this crops up with some frequency for healers to help, I'm

going into some detail here. When doctors test for the EBV, the test

looks at 4 EBV antibodies. The pattern of the 4 will tell the doctor

if this is the first time the person has had mono, if it's recurring

mono, or if it's chronic mono. For example, one antibody will only

be elevated if it's the person's first bout with mono. This

particular antibody will be negative in cases of recurring or chronic

mono. The pattern for recurring mono is different from that for

chronic mono. (I forget the exact details. I remember when I was

diagnosed with chronic mono, the EBNA was low. I was told that it's

EBNA that actually puts the mono into remission. I also have a

history of recurring mono.)

 

One thing to keep in mind about antibody tests is they don't actually

measure the virus, they measure the body's response. You'll see

cases where the sickest people have very low titers because their

immune systems are exhausted. As they start to improve, titers will

rise.

 

If a person has a history of recurring mono (glandular fever) it is

very important to know your warning signs. They are going to vary

among individuals because the TCM Roots can vary. In my particular

case, pains in the right and then the left side are a major warning

signal that I had better get more rest, not be lax about my diet, and

start back on vitamin and mineral supplements and digestive enzymes.

Long experience has taught me it is far, far easier to prevent a

flare-up of mono than to get out of it once it has occured.

 

I believe what is happening in my case is that the Spleen has become

weakened, and the Liver is Invading a weakened Spleen.

 

It's also common for me to start craving chocolate. And sea food,

especially shrimp. Lymph nodes start to swell. (I've found vitamin

A to be particularly effective with the swollen lymph node problem

and the pharyngitis.) I have moments of depression when tired. When

I say " moments " , I mean moments. It doesn't last very long (at least

as long as the mono hasn't fully flared-up), and it stops when I get

rest. (One of the symptoms of mononucleosis is depression. This is

a biochemical depression triggered by increased cytokline production

in response to the virus. It's actually protective in nature as it

can push the person to get more rest in order to aid the spleen and

Spleen to recover.)

 

Unfortunately, once the mono has gotten a hold on the body, it's

going to take a lot of rest to fight it. Better to know the warning

signs and stop it when just a little extra rest will do it. (When I

was the sickest, I was having to sleep 18 to 20 hours a day. As I

improved, this gradually decreased. BTW, when a person is requiring

excessive sleep and is sleepy a lot, consider and rule in or rule out

Kidney Yang Deficiency.)

 

For the record I was told that I'd probably never see another

negative monospot test. But I did. It took a while, but I did go

into remission. (I didn't know about TCM back then. I was doing it

via rest and supplements. I also used visualization.)

 

There can be different Roots underlying chronic and recurring mono,

and different Roots underlying FMS (Fibromyalgia Syndrome). Also,

CFIDS (Chronic Fatigue Immune Dysfunction Syndrome). What works for

me may not work for someone else because the underlying TCM

imbalances are different. That's why it's so important to see

trained TCM professionals if one is available where you live. In the

case of CFIDS it is even more important to see your MD or DO because

CFIDS can mimic so many serious conditions like leukemia and Lupus.

Conditions like those do need to be ruled out.

 

In the case of FMS and CFIDS, Yin Deficiency can manifest as the pain

threshold being lowered. A touch can feel painful. So you'll want

to check for and rule in or rule out Yin Deficiency. From a Western

standpoint, magnesium deficiency results in a lowered pain theshold.

And sensory overlow. It has to do with Mg's effect on

neurotransmitters. It's a GABA-enhancer. GABA is an inhibitory

neurotransmitter. If inhibitory neurotransmitters are too low,

nerves will " fire " too often. Again, a touch can feel painful. The

person also can be overwhelmed by the smells in a supermarket or the

patterns in a rug. There is sensory overload because of the over-

firing of nerves. Also, muscles need Mg in order to relax. Muscles

that stay contracted are very painful and very fatiguing. (Note:

Too much Mg can be fatal just like too little, so this is not a if a

little is good, more is better situation.)

 

For those new to TCM, pain often is due to Qi Stagnation and/or Blood

Stasis. Your TCM healer will be ruling these in or out.

 

Victoria

[Guest guest]

In the Worseley use of horary points I was taught that it was objective time

which counted not subjective. For example in the UK we move the clocks forward

one hour in spring to increase the daylight hours, so between March and

September the horary time for Liver would be 2-4 a.m. rather than 1-3a.m. the

rest of the year which is Greenwich Mean Time (GMT).

I have often wondered what happens if an individual moves from their birth

country to another time zone and I'm not sure that Worseley ever wrote anything

about that.

Regards

Susie

 

> So far as the movement of qi is concerned in the 12 Vessels, only

> Subjective matter.

>

> So Sharon's Horary movement is neither ruled by hemispheric time, nor by

> the Universe.

> It is ruled by Sharon herself.

>

> Holmes

> www.acu-free.com

> 1.888.TCM.CEUS [826.2387]

>

> Sharon wrote:

>

> > Hi Dr Holmes,

> > I was wondering if your approach needs to take into account a

> > different timing for the Southern hemisphere? Or whether it was

> > universal?

> > Best wishes,

> >

[Guest guest]

I don't know to what extent this is in line with what we are discussing,

but over decades

as a sort of a hobby, I developed a form of relational numerology, to

help folks understand

each other and make for a better togetherness. I found that this

extended to relationships

between the people and the town, state, house, they lived in; the cycle

of life they found

themselves in; the profession they were best suited to Vs the one they

found themselves

practicing in; the job they were at; the way they loved, and hated,

created and pillaged.

 

The striking aspect was that whether I was working with someone whose

basic approach

to numbers was Hebraic, or Arabic, or Persian, or Sanskritik, or even

colloquial and

rural, the numerologic aspects always worked best when computed by the

Western

numbers and alphabet, which is also a kind of numbers.

 

For instance, people by and large carry the wrong name, and lug it about

all life, much

as a mill stone around the neck.

 

When an appropriate one was to be found, it was always by the English

alphabet. The

sound could be anthropologic and inherent, the computing always had to

be in the

alphabet which was considered ccommon by everyone.

 

Even when the word " alphabet " derives from the Arabic and Semitic

" aalif " and in A,

and " bett " as in B, " alifa.bett " , alphabet, and is entirely Phoenician

in structure and origin,

the connotations seemed best when worked out in English.

 

By the same token, in an objective sense, horary time is what is agreed

upon by consensus,

just as objective time, is what the body " reads " it to be.

 

Holmes

www.acu-free.com

1.888.TCM.CEUS

 

Susie Parkinson wrote:

 

>

> In the Worseley use of horary points I was taught that it was

> objective time which counted not subjective. For example in the UK we

> move the clocks forward one hour in spring to increase the daylight

> hours, so between March and September the horary time for Liver would

> be 2-4 a.m. rather than 1-3a.m. the rest of the year which is

> Greenwich Mean Time (GMT).

> I have often wondered what happens if an individual moves from their

> birth country to another time zone and I'm not sure that Worseley ever

> wrote anything about that.

> Regards

> Susie

>

> > So far as the movement of qi is concerned in the 12 Vessels, only

> > Subjective matter.

> >

> > So Sharon's Horary movement is neither ruled by hemispheric time,

> nor by

> > the Universe.

> > It is ruled by Sharon herself.

> >

> > Holmes

> > www.acu-free.com

> > 1.888.TCM.CEUS [826.2387]

> >

> > Sharon wrote:

> >

> > > Hi Dr Holmes,

> > > I was wondering if your approach needs to take into account a

> > > different timing for the Southern hemisphere? Or whether it was

> > > universal?

> > > Best wishes,

> > >

>

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

> hiya,

he never wrote about it but he did talk about it. I was there.

Horary time is 'sun' time wherever you are at the time of the

acupuncture treatment, clock time in the UK can be up to 40 minutes

adrift of 'sun' time, so an horary treatment should be carried

out on the hour in the middle of the two start and finish hours, and

if you miss your time slot it is not an horary treatment.

 

regards

 

stephen

 

>

> In the Worseley use of horary points I was taught that it was

objective time which counted not subjective. For example in the UK we

move the clocks forward one hour in spring to increase the daylight

hours, so between March and September the horary time for Liver would

be 2-4 a.m. rather than 1-3a.m. the rest of the year which is

Greenwich Mean Time (GMT).

> I have often wondered what happens if an individual moves from their

birth country to another time zone and I'm not sure that Worseley ever

wrote anything about that.

> Regards

> Susie

>

> > So far as the movement of qi is concerned in the 12 Vessels, only

> > Subjective matter.

> >

> > So Sharon's Horary movement is neither ruled by hemispheric time,

nor by

> > the Universe.

> > It is ruled by Sharon herself.

> >

> > Holmes

> > www.acu-free.com

> > 1.888.TCM.CEUS [826.2387]

> >

> > Sharon wrote:

> >

> > > Hi Dr Holmes,

> > > I was wondering if your approach needs to take into account a

> > > different timing for the Southern hemisphere? Or whether it was

 

> > > universal?

> > > Best wishes,

> > >

>

>

>

>

>

>

http://babel.altavista.com/

>

>

and adjust

accordingly.

>

>

>

> If you are a TCM academic and wish to discuss TCM with other academics, click

on this link

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Susie,

There is a wonderful jet lag treatment where you tap the source point of the

time you are in and the source pt of the time you came from, first one side of

the body and then the other.

 

I have had comments from people who take 3 weeks to adjust that it took them

three days. For others it is as if first one brain hemisphere then the other

comes in to current time zones.

 

So I suppose at the start of day light saving you could do the same and bring

them into summer time and then again at the end. In this way they would then be

hungry and thirsty relative to clock time!

 

What say you????

 

 

 

Chinese Medicine

Chinese MedicineOn Behalf Of Susie

Parkinson

Thursday, 28 April 2005 12:15 AM

Chinese Medicine

RE: Digest Number 951

 

 

 

In the Worseley use of horary points I was taught that it was objective time

which counted not subjective. For example in the UK we move the clocks forward

one hour in spring to increase the daylight hours, so between March and

September the horary time for Liver would be 2-4 a.m. rather than 1-3a.m. the

rest of the year which is Greenwich Mean Time (GMT).

I have often wondered what happens if an individual moves from their birth

country to another time zone and I'm not sure that Worseley ever wrote anything

about that.

Regards

Susie

 

> So far as the movement of qi is concerned in the 12 Vessels, only

> Subjective matter.

>

> So Sharon's Horary movement is neither ruled by hemispheric time, nor by

> the Universe.

> It is ruled by Sharon herself.

>

> Holmes

> www.acu-free.com

> 1.888.TCM.CEUS [826.2387]

>

> Sharon wrote:

>

> > Hi Dr Holmes,

> > I was wondering if your approach needs to take into account a

> > different timing for the Southern hemisphere? Or whether it was

> > universal?

> > Best wishes,

> >

 

 

 

 

http://babel.altavista.com/

 

and adjust

accordingly.

 

 

If you are a TCM academic and wish to discuss TCM with other academics, click

on this link