Guest guest Posted August 25, 2003 Report Share Posted August 25, 2003 In considering all the various effects of lifestyle, foods, etc., on health, I was wondering if anyone had a TCM view of how the activity of thyroid hormone is considered. If it was a herb, what would its nature and function be? (I'm talking about thyroid hormone that one would take, prescribed by a Western doctor, for thyroid insufficiency - there are three types, one which has the active form of thyroid hormone T3 only, one which has the inactive precursor T4 only and one that has a combo.) Then, I have the same question about an antifungal taken orally, called Diflucan. What I'm seeking is really a shorthand way of viewing how these things may be interacting with TCM herbs. For instance, if the thyroid hormone is basically yang, then if exhibiting excess yang symptoms I might look more into herbs that can modulate that. (Short of going back to my Western doctor for a medication adjustment, or, in conjunction with it.) Thanks very much. My guesstimate would be that thyroid hormone is indeed a 'yang herb' and perhaps moves qi. My guesstimate on Diflucan would be that one could consider it as alleviating damp and maybe clearing wind/heat. I'd love some more advanced views. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2003 Report Share Posted August 25, 2003 > In considering all the various effects of lifestyle, foods, etc., on > health, I was wondering if anyone had a TCM view of how the activity > of thyroid hormone is considered. If it was a herb, what would its > nature and function be? I am in no way advanced, but just to say most of the opinions I have come across categorise thyroxine as kidney yang - one paper below. I did find one author who thought it was connected to the Heart. [Relation of hypothyroidism and deficiency of kidney yang] [Article in Chinese] Zha LL. Inst. of the Integr. of TCM-WM Med., Shanghai Med. Univ. 32 cases of hypothyroidism caused by various factors were treated for one year with Chinese medicinal herbs preparation " Shen Lu tablet " (SLT) to warm and reinforce the Kidney Yang. 34 normal persons were studied as a control group. After treatment with SLT, the clinical symptoms of hypothyroidism were markedly improved. Average serum concentration of total T3, T4 increased significantly from 67.06 +/- 4.81 and 3.29 +/- 0.42 before treatment to 120.50 +/- 6.34 ng/dl and 6.31 +/- 0.38 micrograms/dl, respectively (P < 0.001). Serum levels of TSH decreased evidently from 20.81 +/- 2.78 before therapy to 3.32 +/- 0.61 ng/ml (P < 0.001). Before treatment with SLT, hypothyroidism group had higher erythrocyte sodium content ([Na]Rbc) than that of normal group. The permeability of the cell membrane oMNaos and the activity of sodium pump oKNaos in intact erythrocytes were markedly lower in the treated group than that in the normal group. In hypothyroidism patients treated by SLT the [Na]Rbc significantly dropped, and the oNNaos and oKNaos were significantly raised when compared with those before treatment, P < 0.001. It is suggested that hypothyroidism was closely related with Deficiency of Kidney Yang and energy metabolism. PMID: 8400766 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] Jackie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2003 Report Share Posted August 30, 2003 > In considering all the various effects of lifestyle, foods, etc., on > health, I was wondering if anyone had a TCM view of how the activity > of thyroid hormone is considered. If it was a herb, what would its > nature and function be? > (snip) > What I'm seeking is really a shorthand way of viewing how these > things may be interacting with TCM herbs. For instance, if the > thyroid hormone is basically yang, then if exhibiting excess yang > symptoms I might look more into herbs that can modulate that. (Short > of going back to my Western doctor for a medication adjustment, or, > in conjunction with it.) There is an amazing overlap between the symptoms of Kidney Yang Deficiency and hypothyroidism, but they are not equivalent. There have been plenty of cases where people who had their blood levels of thyroid hormones raised to normal via replacedment hormone still had many of the symptoms of hypothyroidism. These did not disappear until after the person was placed on Yang tonic herbs and herbs to warm the Interior. Likewise, there have been cases of people who were Kidney Yang Deficiency who still had symptoms which were not relieved until the person was placed on thyroid replacement hormone. BTW, cases of hypothyroidism are not nearly as common in China as in the US and West. > My guesstimate would be that thyroid hormone is indeed a 'yang herb' > and perhaps moves qi. I would say thyroid hormone is Yang in nature. For those new to TCM, Yang activates, warms, and dries. Yin calms, cools, and moistens. These are simplified definitions, but definitions that give a lot of insight into TCM healing and how things work. You will need to be reevaluated regularly by both your MD/DO and your TCM healer. I'll be posting more detailed info on thyroid problems and Cushings Syndrome from a TCM perspective. I recently got a new book, The Treatment of Modern Western Medical Diseases with by Bob Flaws and Philippe Sionneau. There is a lot of good info in it. A paperback book with a lot of good Western info on the thyroid and various thyroid disorders is Your Thyroid: A Home REference by Lawrence C. Wood, MD, FACP, David S. Cooper, MD, FACP, and E. Chester Redgway, MD, FACP. The copy I have dates from 1989. I hope there is a more recent edition because it's one of those rare books that is full of factural information explained very well to non-medical readers. Victoria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2003 Report Share Posted August 30, 2003 > I'll be posting more detailed info on thyroid problems and Cushings > Syndrome from a TCM perspective. I recently got a new book, The > Treatment of Modern Western Medical Diseases with by > Bob Flaws and Philippe Sionneau. There is a lot of good info in it. Is there much on insulin resistance/hyperinsulinemia - as opposed to diabetes proper in that book Victoria? Jackie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2003 Report Share Posted September 2, 2003 > Is there much on insulin resistance/hyperinsulinemia - as opposed to > diabetes proper in that book Victoria? So far I've only found a footnote at the end of the chapter on diabetes. Here is the limited information. I think you'll going to find the info on Cushing's Syndrome more interesting in terms of why the horse can't tolerate certain herbs he should be able to tolerate. Info on insulin-resisance diabetes from The Treatment of Modern Western Medical Diseases with by Bob Flaws and Philippe Sionneau, p. 216: " Western MDs have known for years that insulin resistance (or inability to properly deal with dietary carbohydrates and sugars_, abnormal blood lipids, obesity, and hypertension increase the risk of both heart disease and diabetes. Among progressive practitioners, this combination of conditions is known as syndrome X. Syndrome X is a diet-caused hormonal dyscrasia which mostly affects middle-aged adults, espectially after meals. Insulin resistance and the syndrome X it results in is primarily due to eating a diet high in refined carbohydrates and simple sugars, saturated fat (as found in beef), omega-6 fatty acids (found in vegetable oils), and trans-fatty acids (found in margarine and foods with partially hydrogenated oils). In Chinese medicine, fatigue after meals is primarily a spleen vacuity symptom, while overeating fats and oils engenders both heat and dampness. Thus the core disease mechanisms of syndrome X are spleen vacuity with dampness and heat. In real life, if there is spleen vacuity, there is liver depression and vice versa. Therefore, in the overwhelming majority of syndrome X patients, there is also liver depression qi stagnation which aggravates and adds to the spleen vacuity, depressive heat, and damp evils. When these heat evils eventually damage the righteous yin of the stomach, lungs, and/or kidneys, syndrome X evolves into diabetes. " My comments will follow in another post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2003 Report Share Posted September 4, 2003 > So far I've only found a footnote at the end of the chapter on > diabetes. Here is the limited information. I think you'll going to > find the info on Cushing's Syndrome more interesting in terms of why > the horse can't tolerate certain herbs he should be able to tolerate. Do you mean Chai Hu? If not, I'm not sure what you mean. Jackie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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