Guest guest Posted July 16, 2003 Report Share Posted July 16, 2003 Can anyone recommend a group of points that would assist someone who has AIDS to make healthy and sane decisions regarding their role in society and the spreading of the AIDS virus which they have? It seems to me that there might be a carefully selected group of points that could be used to bring a person who has AIDS into balance regarding their behavior towards the world and people around them. Any ideas?..Mr. Stone?..others? Healing41 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2003 Report Share Posted July 16, 2003 On Wednesday, July 16, 2003, at 10:17 AM, Arnold Johnson wrote: > Can anyone recommend a group of points that would assist someone who > has AIDS to make healthy and sane decisions regarding their role in > society and the spreading of the AIDS virus which they have? > It seems to me that there might be a carefully selected group of > points that could be used to bring a person who has AIDS into balance > regarding their behavior towards the world and people around them. Just about anything can give rise to these behaviors, but I think that we run the risk of projecting our own stuff on to a patient when we treat their emotional imbalances as psychological concepts rather than TCM signs. I try and limit my perceptions of the so-called internal devils to how they actually present in the patient. For a patient to be out spreading HIV around with unprotected sex is going to look like a lot of very different things when this understanding passes through our individual world views. However, when you limit your perceptions to what the patient is presenting (i.e. anger, phlegm/dementia, etc...) we can treat that knowing that it will effect the emotions of the patient in a positive manner. So I generally just treat what I see and then talk about these issues directly with the patient **if it feels comfortable to me**. If I'm uncomfortable talking about these things, it is likely that I really haven't established the necessary repore to go into these topics. That's just me, I'm sure that there are some practitioners who would put public health above the receptivity of the patient. That's a reasonable premise too. So, if you see a lot of Liver issues going on, you might take the verbal tact of working with anger in your treatment. Spreading one's pathologies around may be an expression of blame and resentment in getting the HIV virus. If you see a thick tongue coating, palpitations, dementia, and a general lack of sensitivity to anybody outside of him or herself, you might look for some phlegm in the heart or elsewhere that would perhaps need to be transformed in order to heighten one's sensitivity to the needs of others. So, treat what you see, and you're sure to find an in to their emotional nature that may not even require verbal exchange. If nothing else works, treat the pericardium and heart. I have one pain patient who has some difficulty in expressing himself with any sort of coherence to whom I finally gave some Suan Zao Ren Tang which calms the shen for liver type insomnia. This did the trick and his pain went away, just by looking at his presentation rather than listening to the words. -al. -- Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional. -Adlai Stevenson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2003 Report Share Posted July 16, 2003 Thank you Sir..O.K. Lets pretend I didn,t ask that question in just that way. I know that time to consider the answer might yield answers too. Suppose I rephrase in this way..MS. Donna Eden in her book ENERGY MEDICINE says she holds, in her hands, the acupuncture strengthening or sedating points to obtain desirable results. I have some success in doing this, too, at a distance even. So what I would like to know is this, since you might look at this virus as a thing that wants to survive, I think that it will succede unless we can stifle that part of the disease which is responsible for this behaviour, resulting from having the disease in the first place, as in the urge to pass it on, compare it to itching if you like which makes you scratch it What meridians would a healer concern theirselve with that would calm this urge in people in general. Sort of like Jung's collective unconscious. You see what I'm getting at? Even if you don't believe that people can heal at a distance think of it as an area that can be " got into " and as with anything living, not paying attention to it will ALLOW it to get worse in nature. Whereas if you give it attention you cause healing to occur on a greater or lessor degree I know these cures take place in stages but let's start here or somewhere different if you have a better idea. HEAL THE WORLDChinese Traditional Medicine , al stone <alstone@b...> wrote: > > On Wednesday, July 16, 2003, at 10:17 AM, Arnold Johnson wrote: > > > Can anyone recommend a group of points that would assist someone who > > has AIDS to make healthy and sane decisions regarding their role in > > society and the spreading of the AIDS virus which they have? > > It seems to me that there might be a carefully selected group of > > points that could be used to bring a person who has AIDS into balance > > regarding their behavior towards the world and people around them. > > Just about anything can give rise to these behaviors, but I think that > we run the risk of projecting our own stuff on to a patient when we > treat their emotional imbalances as psychological concepts rather than > TCM signs. I try and limit my perceptions of the so-called internal > devils to how they actually present in the patient. > > For a patient to be out spreading HIV around with unprotected sex is > going to look like a lot of very different things when this > understanding passes through our individual world views. However, when > you limit your perceptions to what the patient is presenting (i.e. > anger, phlegm/dementia, etc...) we can treat that knowing that it will > effect the emotions of the patient in a positive manner. > > So I generally just treat what I see and then talk about these issues > directly with the patient **if it feels comfortable to me**. If I'm > uncomfortable talking about these things, it is likely that I really > haven't established the necessary repore to go into these topics. > That's just me, I'm sure that there are some practitioners who would > put public health above the receptivity of the patient. That's a > reasonable premise too. > > So, if you see a lot of Liver issues going on, you might take the > verbal tact of working with anger in your treatment. Spreading one's > pathologies around may be an expression of blame and resentment in > getting the HIV virus. > > If you see a thick tongue coating, palpitations, dementia, and a > general lack of sensitivity to anybody outside of him or herself, you > might look for some phlegm in the heart or elsewhere that would perhaps > need to be transformed in order to heighten one's sensitivity to the > needs of others. > > So, treat what you see, and you're sure to find an in to their > emotional nature that may not even require verbal exchange. If nothing > else works, treat the pericardium and heart. I have one pain patient > who has some difficulty in expressing himself with any sort of > coherence to whom I finally gave some Suan Zao Ren Tang which calms the > shen for liver type insomnia. This did the trick and his pain went > away, just by looking at his presentation rather than listening to the > words. > > -al. > > -- > > Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional. > -Adlai Stevenson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2003 Report Share Posted July 16, 2003 On Wednesday, July 16, 2003, at 02:44 PM, Arnold Johnson wrote: > Thank you Sir..O.K. Lets pretend I didn,t ask that question in just > that way. I know that time to consider the answer might yield > answers too. Suppose I rephrase in this way..MS. Donna Eden in her > book ENERGY MEDICINE says she holds, in her hands, the acupuncture > strengthening or sedating points to obtain desirable results. I have > some success in doing this, too, at a distance even. So what I would > like to know is this, since you might look at this virus as a thing > that wants to survive, I think that it will succede unless we can > stifle that part of the disease which is responsible for this > behaviour, resulting from having the disease in the first place, as > in the urge to pass it on, compare it to itching if you like which > makes you scratch it So you're thinking that the virus' desire to duplicate itself is what causes a carrier to engage in activities that will spread it? I think that you're absolutely right, kind of. The virus does want to spread and live and multiply and do all those things that living things (provided you believe that viruses are living) enjoy, but people who are not infected with HIV also like to live, multiply and basically pass on their genetic material. So, I'm not sure that the virus itself causes unsafe behavior. > What meridians would a healer concern > theirselve with that would calm this urge in people in general. Well, if there is a hypersexuality issue, I would look to the Kidney and Heart channels to calm the fire in the body. > Sort > of like Jung's collective unconscious. You see what I'm getting at? I'm not sure. I think that you're looking for a metaphor to treat and although TCM is based on a bunch of metaphors, I'm not sure that they would be looking at things as you are. Not to say that this is wrong, but you're beginning with a biomedical reality and asking how TCM would treat the metaphor. I believe that the answer is to step back, see how it presents and treat what you see. The closest thing that I think about in these regards is the understanding of astrological metaphors. We've just entered into the age of aquarius and this is the sign of mass media, electronic media, and mass humanity. Computer viruses are a very recent addition to our consciousness. But outbreaks of new viruses such as SARS and AIDS are moved around the globe as quickly as computer viruses very since rapid global transportation has become a practical reality. This is the age of aquarius and for the next 2,000 years or so, we should be prepared to have to deal with communicable diseases as I believe that these will be the big challenge of the near future. For this reason, I intend on focusing my doctoral studies on the Shang Han Lun and the Wen Bing theories which are real big on epidemic diseases. > Even if you don't believe that people can heal at a distance think of > it as an area that can be " got into " and as with anything living, not > paying attention to it will ALLOW it to get worse in nature. Whereas > if you give it attention you cause healing to occur on a greater or > lessor degree I know these cures take place in stages but let's start > here or somewhere different if you have a better idea. I have no problem with distance healing, but my perspective is decidedly TCM so, looking at viruses is really limited to how it presents in a patient without any knowledge of retrovirus, RNA, DNA, cellular structure, NK cells, and the immune system beyond the global concept of Wei Qi. But that's just me. > HEAL THE > WORLDChinese Traditional Medicine , al stone > <alstone@b...> wrote: >> >> On Wednesday, July 16, 2003, at 10:17 AM, Arnold Johnson wrote: >> >>> Can anyone recommend a group of points that would assist someone > who >>> has AIDS to make healthy and sane decisions regarding their role > in >>> society and the spreading of the AIDS virus which they have? >>> It seems to me that there might be a carefully selected group of >>> points that could be used to bring a person who has AIDS into > balance >>> regarding their behavior towards the world and people around them. >> >> Just about anything can give rise to these behaviors, but I think > that >> we run the risk of projecting our own stuff on to a patient when we >> treat their emotional imbalances as psychological concepts rather > than >> TCM signs. I try and limit my perceptions of the so-called internal >> devils to how they actually present in the patient. >> >> For a patient to be out spreading HIV around with unprotected sex > is >> going to look like a lot of very different things when this >> understanding passes through our individual world views. However, > when >> you limit your perceptions to what the patient is presenting (i.e. >> anger, phlegm/dementia, etc...) we can treat that knowing that it > will >> effect the emotions of the patient in a positive manner. >> >> So I generally just treat what I see and then talk about these > issues >> directly with the patient **if it feels comfortable to me**. If > I'm >> uncomfortable talking about these things, it is likely that I > really >> haven't established the necessary repore to go into these topics. >> That's just me, I'm sure that there are some practitioners who > would >> put public health above the receptivity of the patient. That's a >> reasonable premise too. >> >> So, if you see a lot of Liver issues going on, you might take the >> verbal tact of working with anger in your treatment. Spreading > one's >> pathologies around may be an expression of blame and resentment in >> getting the HIV virus. >> >> If you see a thick tongue coating, palpitations, dementia, and a >> general lack of sensitivity to anybody outside of him or herself, > you >> might look for some phlegm in the heart or elsewhere that would > perhaps >> need to be transformed in order to heighten one's sensitivity to > the >> needs of others. >> >> So, treat what you see, and you're sure to find an in to their >> emotional nature that may not even require verbal exchange. If > nothing >> else works, treat the pericardium and heart. I have one pain > patient >> who has some difficulty in expressing himself with any sort of >> coherence to whom I finally gave some Suan Zao Ren Tang which calms > the >> shen for liver type insomnia. This did the trick and his pain went >> away, just by looking at his presentation rather than listening to > the >> words. >> >> -al. >> >> -- >> >> Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional. >> -Adlai Stevenson > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2003 Report Share Posted July 19, 2003 Hi I have noticed that, sexuality is in fact normal, and an instinct to survive, to procreate ...why discriminate or let these issues get in the way of the practice of medical treatment. Studies show that constant treatment will stabilise the patients condition, and as it " s predominantly a deficiency health constitution, notification is necessity with herbs as well as acc and moxibustion is essential. One should base the treatment on the pulse diagnosis , as always C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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