Guest guest Posted July 4, 2003 Report Share Posted July 4, 2003 Wind-Heat: " Aversion to cold, shivering, sneezing, cough, runny nose with slightly yellow mucus, fever, occipital stiffness and ache, slight sweating, itchy throat, sore throat, swollen tonsils, thirst, Floating-Rapid ulse, Tongue body colour Red on the tip or sides, thin- white coating. " " The pathology here is the same as in Wind-Cold, except that since Wind is combined with Heat, there are some Heat signs such as thirst, yellow mucus, more fever, a rapid pulse and a slightly Red tongue body on the tip or sides. " There is aversion to cold in invasions of Wind-Heat because this interferes with the circulation of Defensive Qi in skin and muscles. Since Defensive Qi warms the muscles, an impairment of its circulation leads to aversion to cold in the beginning stages. " The tongue body is red on the tip or sides because these areas reflect the Exterior of the body, as opposed to the centre of the tongue which reflects the state of the Interior. " (Giovanni Maciocia, The Foundations of , pp. 295-296.) Wind-Cold: " Aversion to cold, shivering, sneezing, cough, runny nose with shite- watery mucus, no fever or slight fever, severe occipital stiffness and ache, no sweating, not thirst, Floating-Tight pulse, Tongue body colour unchanged, thin-white coating. " ( " The tongue seldom shows any significant changes in invasion of Wind-Cold as the body colour is unaffected. " The exception to this is that is if there is also Interior Cold.) (Maciocia, Foundations, p.295) Maciocia lists the following symptoms of Wind invasion: " Aversion to cold or wind, sneezing, cough, runny nose, possibly ffever, occipital stiffness and ache, itchy throat, sweating or not (depending on whether Wind or Cold is predominant, Floating pulse. " (p. 295) So how do you tell the difference between Wind-Heat and Wind-Cold? The Heat signs. The mucus will be yellow when Heat is present. Cold results in clear or white mucus. (Red/ yellow are associated with Heat; white/ blue with Cold.) While both can result in an occipital (back of the head) headache, the Wind-Heat headache generally is slight when compared with Wind- Cold headaches which may start out in the occipital area but progresses inward and can be quite severe and debilitating. Wind- Heat muscle aches also are slight when compared to Wind-Cold body muscles aches which can be severe. (We're talking Bi Syndrome here, aka arthritis. Wind Bi pains move around a lot.) A Floating pulse is one that can be felt the strongest with the least amount of pressure on the wrist. It frequently is a sign of an Exterior condition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2003 Report Share Posted July 4, 2003 > So how do you tell the difference between Wind-Heat and Wind-Cold? > The Heat signs. The mucus will be yellow when Heat is present. Cold > results in clear or white mucus. (Red/ yellow are associated with > Heat; white/ blue with Cold.) Is that so of tongue coating too?? Jackie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2003 Report Share Posted July 4, 2003 Chinese Traditional Medicine , " jackie " <jackie@n...> wrote: > > So how do you tell the difference between Wind-Heat and Wind- Cold? > > The Heat signs. The mucus will be yellow when Heat is present. Cold > > results in clear or white mucus. (Red/ yellow are associated with > > Heat; white/ blue with Cold.) > > Is that so of tongue coating too?? Not unless it's been going on for some time, or there is Interior Heat. The tongue changes relatively slowly compared to the pulse. It takes several days for the tongue to change. If the attack has just begun the tongue coating will still be white. A white tongue coating over a pink or pale red tongue is normal. It will stay white in cases of Cold, but the tongue itself will get white, pale, or blue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2003 Report Share Posted July 4, 2003 > Not unless it's been going on for some time, or there is Interior > Heat. The tongue changes relatively slowly compared to the pulse. It > takes several days for the tongue to change. If the attack has just > begun the tongue coating will still be white. A white tongue coating > over a pink or pale red tongue is normal. It will stay white in > cases of Cold, but the tongue itself will get white, pale, or blue. But a yellow coating means heat? Jackie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2003 Report Share Posted July 4, 2003 > > Not unless it's been going on for some time, or there is Interior > > Heat. The tongue changes relatively slowly compared to the pulse. It > > takes several days for the tongue to change. If the attack has just > > begun the tongue coating will still be white. A white tongue coating > > over a pink or pale red tongue is normal. It will stay white in > > cases of Cold, but the tongue itself will get white, pale, or blue. > > But a yellow coating means heat? Yes. Heat that has been going on at least a few days. Purple means Blood Stasis. Bluish-purple= Blood Stasis with Cold. Reddish-purple = Blood Stasis with Heat. Always be sure to check under the tongue because in some cases of Blood Stasis, the purple color will show up there first and strongest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2003 Report Share Posted July 4, 2003 > Yes. Heat that has been going on at least a few days. Great thanks. Jackie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2003 Report Share Posted July 4, 2003 --- victoria_dragon <victoria_dragon wrote: > > Not unless it's been going on for some time, or > there is Interior > Heat. The tongue changes relatively slowly compared > to the pulse. It > takes several days for the tongue to change. If the > attack has just > begun the tongue coating will still be white. Just some notes for the beginners here...the tongue has variosu different aspects. Some aspects change more slowly than others, and others can change very rapidly. Some will take months or years ot change (for example, a pale tongue body on someone hwo is yang-deficient), and some will take seconds (red tip to normal colour after p9 is needled in the case of a simple fever). Thicker, turbid aspects (such as coating), or those aspects related to longstanding internal organ dysfunction will change slowly. Thin, lucid aspects, or those related to acute or superficial dysfunctions can change very fast. As a final note, I usually check my patient's tongue three time during a treatment, and also after any major needle or needling sequence on my part (for example, someone with heat in the upper burner and the accompanying red top third of the tongue may be treated by needling GV 14. I check the tongue to see if the heat has dissipated and decide based on the tongue diagnosis whether more needling is needed or whatever). Bye, Hugo =] ______________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Messenger http://uk.messenger./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2003 Report Share Posted July 5, 2003 Thanks, Hugo. This is good information not only for the beginners on the list but for the students as well. I hope that you and the other professionals on the list will continue to share more in-depth information like this with the beginners and students. It's the type of informaiton that one doesn't get from most books, only from months or years of experience and observation or from being fortunate enough to have access to someone with the experience. > Just some notes for the beginners here...the tongue > has variosu different aspects. Some aspects change > more slowly than others, and others can change very > rapidly. Some will take months or years ot change (for > example, a pale tongue body on someone hwo is > yang-deficient), and some will take seconds (red tip > to normal colour after p9 is needled in the case of a > simple fever). > > Thicker, turbid aspects (such as coating), or those > aspects related to longstanding internal organ > dysfunction will change slowly. Thin, lucid aspects, > or those related to acute or superficial dysfunctions > can change very fast. > > As a final note, I usually check my patient's tongue > three time during a treatment, and also after any > major needle or needling sequence on my part (for > example, someone with heat in the upper burner and the > accompanying red top third of the tongue may be > treated by needling GV 14. I check the tongue to see > if the heat has dissipated and decide based on the > tongue diagnosis whether more needling is needed or > whatever). > > Bye, > Hugo =] > > ____________________ __ > Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE > Messenger http://uk.messenger./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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