Guest guest Posted June 8, 2003 Report Share Posted June 8, 2003 Thanks Susie for correcting me. Sorry! It was my mistake. I have a question on moxibustion. Normally when I use moxa on a needle for my patients it leaves a small scab or scar. (I normally insert the needle then put the moxa on and light it and let it burn till the patient feels the heat to be unbearable which is about 10 to 15 minutes). Most patients are not happy about the scar even though the therapeutic results are good. Does anyone know how I can avoid the scab /scar formation/ Thanks. Regards, Jerry Mohan --- Chinese Traditional Medicine wrote: > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2003 Report Share Posted June 8, 2003 Generally speaking if you wait until the pain is unbearable to the patient, it is too late and you will get a scar, which is a problem because : It hurts, the patient does not like it. It looks bad, this is not a good advertizing for your services... You cannot use this point again until the blister is healed - which may take 1 to 2 weeks. So you have to remove the moxa before it burns the patient DIRECT MOXIBUSTION : There is nothing between the skin and the moxa. A moxa cone is placed on a point and ignited. When half or two thirds of it is burnt or the patient feels a burning discomfort, remove the cone and place another one. you can use regular cones, or tiny ones the size of a grain of rice - in that case you use more of them You light up one grain, position it with a tweezer, and remove it BEFORE it becomes unbearable to the patient - then light up another grain... usually use 10 grains where you would use a regular cone moxa - in some case more - depends what you want to do. No blister should be formed and there should be no festering and scar formation. Make sure you tell the patient to not try to bear the pain, specially after 4 or 5 grains, the patient may become tolerant to the pain and let the burn happen (I did that myself...) INDIRECT MOXIBUSTION :You place something between the moxa and the skin GINGER : Cut a slice of fresh ginger about 0.5 cm (1/8 to 1/4 inch) thick, punch numerous small holes on it (with a needle) and place it on the point selected. On top of this piece of ginger, a large moxa cone is. placed and ignited. When the patient feels it scorching, remove it and light another. This method is indicated in symptoms caused by weakness of the stomach and spleen such as diarrhoea, abdominal pain, painful joints and symptoms due to yang deficiency. GARLIC : Cut a slice of garlic about 0.5 cm thick ( a large single clove of garlic is desirable ) , punch holes in it, put it on the point with the ignited moxa cone above. Renew the cone when the patient feels it scorching. Voila, i hope this helped Frederic gerard dennis wrote: > Thanks Susie for correcting me. > > Sorry! It was my mistake. > > I have a question on moxibustion. > > Normally when I use moxa on a needle for my patients > it leaves a small scab or scar. > (I normally insert the needle then put the moxa on and > light it and let it burn till the patient feels the > heat to be unbearable which is about 10 to 15 > minutes). > > Most patients are not happy about the scar even though > the therapeutic results are good. > > Does anyone know how I can avoid the scab /scar > formation/ > > Thanks. > > Regards, > > Jerry Mohan > --- Chinese Traditional Medicine wrote: > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2003 Report Share Posted June 9, 2003 In a message dated 6/8/03 12:13:30 AM Eastern Daylight Time, fredlecut writes: > Does anyone know how I can avoid the scab /scar > >formation/ > I have never had a scab or scar with warm needle, try a longer needle or a shorter burn time. Stan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2003 Report Share Posted June 9, 2003 A little spray water bottle will stop the burning at the right time. frederic <fredlecut wrote:Generally speaking if you wait until the pain is unbearable to the patient, it is too late and you will get a scar, which is a problem because : It hurts, the patient does not like it. It looks bad, this is not a good advertizing for your services... You cannot use this point again until the blister is healed - which may take 1 to 2 weeks. So you have to remove the moxa before it burns the patient DIRECT MOXIBUSTION : There is nothing between the skin and the moxa. A moxa cone is placed on a point and ignited. When half or two thirds of it is burnt or the patient feels a burning discomfort, remove the cone and place another one. you can use regular cones, or tiny ones the size of a grain of rice - in that case you use more of them You light up one grain, position it with a tweezer, and remove it BEFORE it becomes unbearable to the patient - then light up another grain... usually use 10 grains where you would use a regular cone moxa - in some case more - depends what you want to do. No blister should be formed and there should be no festering and scar formation. Make sure you tell the patient to not try to bear the pain, specially after 4 or 5 grains, the patient may become tolerant to the pain and let the burn happen (I did that myself...) INDIRECT MOXIBUSTION :You place something between the moxa and the skin GINGER : Cut a slice of fresh ginger about 0.5 cm (1/8 to 1/4 inch) thick, punch numerous small holes on it (with a needle) and place it on the point selected. On top of this piece of ginger, a large moxa cone is. placed and ignited. When the patient feels it scorching, remove it and light another. This method is indicated in symptoms caused by weakness of the stomach and spleen such as diarrhoea, abdominal pain, painful joints and symptoms due to yang deficiency. GARLIC : Cut a slice of garlic about 0.5 cm thick ( a large single clove of garlic is desirable ) , punch holes in it, put it on the point with the ignited moxa cone above. Renew the cone when the patient feels it scorching. Voila, i hope this helped Frederic gerard dennis wrote: > Thanks Susie for correcting me. > > Sorry! It was my mistake. > > I have a question on moxibustion. > > Normally when I use moxa on a needle for my patients > it leaves a small scab or scar. > (I normally insert the needle then put the moxa on and > light it and let it burn till the patient feels the > heat to be unbearable which is about 10 to 15 > minutes). > > Most patients are not happy about the scar even though > the therapeutic results are good. > > Does anyone know how I can avoid the scab /scar > formation/ > > Thanks. > > Regards, > > Jerry Mohan > --- Chinese Traditional Medicine wrote: > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2003 Report Share Posted June 10, 2003 --- gerard dennis <jerryacu wrote: > light it and let it burn till the patient feels the > heat to be unbearable which is about 10 to 15 > minutes). > > Most patients are not happy about the scar even > though > the therapeutic results are good. > > Does anyone know how I can avoid the scab /scar > formation/ The unbearale pain part is the problem. I only use the moxa until the patient feels (strong) heat. Takes longer but no pissed off patients. Bye, Hugo Plus - For a better Internet experience http://uk.promotions./yplus/yoffer.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2003 Report Share Posted June 10, 2003 > A little spray water bottle will stop the burning at the right time. There is a caution that needs to be observed with this. Very often people are getting moxa because they are Yang Deficient and have problems with both Internal and External Cold. Even room- temperature water can be too chilling to a person who is severely Yang-Deficient and who has weak Protective Qi. Spray them with water, and their muscles will cramp and they become more chilled. Even from just a little water hitting the skin in the area of the moxa cone. Back when I was so sick, just the sweat evaporating off my skin was too chilling for me and could trigger a headache as muscles contracted and stayed contracted. Things that wouldn't bother a normal person can be chilling and detrimental to a person who is severely Yang Deficient. Room temperature liquids used to chill me when I drank them. Yep, I had the typical not feeling thirsty and wanting hot soups when I did consume liquids that so often is seen in Kidney Yang Deficiency. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2003 Report Share Posted June 11, 2003 --- victoria_dragon <victoria_dragon escreveu: > >> A little spray water bottle will stop the burning at the right >>time. >There is a caution that needs to be observed with this. >Very often people are getting moxa because they are Yang >Deficient >and have problems with both Internal and External Cold. Even >room-temperature water can be too chilling to a person who is >severely >Yang-Deficient and who has weak Protective Qi. Spray them with >water, and their muscles will cramp and they become more >chilled. >Even from just a little water hitting the skin in the area of >the >moxa cone. When I learned moxa, thee was a recommendation NOT to apply water to the body(especially those parts that received moxa) for at least two hours. Otherwise the heat applied to the points could be 'cooled' before having time to do its work! Marcos _____________________ Mail Mais espaço, mais segurança e gratuito: caixa postal de 6MB, antivírus, proteção contra spam. http://br.mail./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2005 Report Share Posted February 11, 2005 Roger, Insurance pays for treatment based upon the policy you have. As far as I know Yes. There are no exclusions. For simple normal childhood diseases every child will be treated regardless of insurance or ability to pay via the county health agency. So treatment/ prevention costs are not a factor. Z'ev. The question is not signing the waiver (which we have done because we refused to continue with the shots after outbreak of rash (s). The rash - per the M.D. is not related as it happened some 30 days later. Merck, the vaccine maker is in Federal court over adverse side affects from the childhood vaccines but the proceeding are under court order silence. Please be aware of the penalty of signing the waivers. peer pressure from school peer pressure from other parents peer pressure from other children peer pressure form other spouse When a another child in the school comes down with say the chicken pox all children _not vaccinated_ can not attend school for 2 weeks. My daughter was asked to leave. that penalty which singles out one child results in a cascade of peer pressure and if one recalls childhood - children can be mean. In a large student body that event may happen 2 or 3 times a school year. Very disrupting. As we know schools and society put pressure on conformity. I would like to choose my battles without involving some many others, especially when some many others are not the target (in this instance) of my rage. Schools (in California) apply tremendous pressure for drugs of all sorts. Including giving out (without permission) candy to children as rewards !!!) Example Attention Deficient Disorder. When a teacher feels your child may need " help " and the school agrees (with or without your involvement) your child will not be allowed to attend class without taking a drug - for example ADDERALL. BTW Canada just recalled this drug linked to over 20 Canadian deaths. The U.S. FDA is thinking about doing an investigation citing not enough evidence to support the Canadian recall for the drug that is heavily administered to American school children. Therefore my attempts to reduce - hopefully eliminate the adverse affects of the vaccines/drugs. Not the best answer but a positive one while, whilst I pursue windmills. Therefore my search for a true TCM herbal formula. 1. Prevention is best(so we know the shots are coming) 2. early intervention (we know when we get the shots) thanks for all your efforts, Ed Kasper LAc. Licensed Acupuncturist & Herbalist Acupuncture is a jab well done www.HappyHerbalist.com Santa Cruz, CA. " " <zrosenbe Re: RE: Vaccine Protocol Can't answer that one, but I think that guardians or parents should have the full responsibility. However, I think vaccines are a complex issue, not a simple either/or one, involving which vaccines, when, relative toxicity, epidemics, etc. It is not so black and white. Z'ev Rosennberg On Feb 9, 2005, at 7:39 PM, wrote: > > > Ed, In California, you simply have to sign a objector form to avoid > > giving the vaccines to your children (if you so choose). Z'ev > Rosenberg > > Should those children become ill subsequently, does Health Insurance > cover that if their guardians take that option? Thu, 10 Feb 2005 04:35:37 +0000 " mike Bowser " <naturaldoc1 RE: RE: Vaccine Protocol There is no good reason to expose your children to this much mercury, Chinese herbs will not deal with this metal adequately. Please check out www.minnesotanaturalhealth.org/Geierpresentation.doc for an informative expert on this deadly heavy metal. The best idea is avoidance. More and more the public health initiatives about madating noxious vaccines are coming under scrutiny and failing to show support scientifically for their continuance. This is a difficult decision. Mike W. Bowser, L Ac > " Ed Kasper LAc " <eddy >Chinese Medicine ><Chinese Medicine > > RE: Vaccine Protocol >Wed, 9 Feb 2005 18:42:24 -0800 > >Awhile back on one of the lists I belong to there was a discussion about >pre >and post vaccination treatment and how TCM may be applied to help the body.. >I am interested in finding ways to prepare the body prior to a given >vaccine >and what formulas could be applicable to post vaccine - where there are no >apparent side affects. My reasoning is based upon my 2 daughters (age 18 >months and 7.5 years) and the contentious school, government and drug >companies. Especially focused now on new evidence showing MERCK again >neglect in reporting findings. This time in their vaccines for childhood >shots (my youngest was scheduled to have her shots today!) see the LA Times >article at LATIMES.com or the article at >http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/la-fi-vaccine8feb08,1,1695027.stor y >?ctrack=3 & cset=true As of this date MERCK is the ONLY manufacture of >mandated childhood vaccines in California. > >Previous I discussed my concern with some homeopathic friends - as opposed >to my social- friends ) >Their strategies was not to get into the deep conflict but to prepare the >body pre vaccine and then treat homeopathically to remove the toxic >vaccines. Not the best method but one that offers a substantial improvement >over either choice parents face today. > >I would like to hear some TCM strategy with suggested formulas. > >thanks > >Ed Kasper LAc. Licensed Acupuncturist & Herbalist >Acupuncture is a jab well done >www.HappyHerbalist.com Santa Cruz, CA. > Thu, 10 Feb 2005 08:50:52 -0000 " drneedles2002 " <drneedles2002 Class IIIa LASER I saw one of these on a key chain at friends house... I think they were using it for a pointer. I tried it on acupoints and felt de qi. Do people use this therapeutically, and what are the caveats of applying laser radiation to human tissue in relation to needles. Just Curious ______________________ ______________________ Message: 22 Thu, 10 Feb 2005 09:26:16 -0000 " " <attiliodalberto Re: Healing Music No, no ISBN. Hasn't quite taken full effect in China yet. Attilio Chinese Medicine , Jack Sweeney <mojavecowboy> wrote: > Attilio: > > Do you have the ISBN? > > I saw a series of five CD's that are intended to > relieve stress, another was morning music, a third for > insomnia, etc. > > Thanks, Jack > > . Did i tell you that whilst i was > > in China, i > > picked up a set of five CDs. Each one is related to > > a different Zang > > organ. They were to be played when a person > > displayed a deficinecy > > in that organ, for example, you play the Kidney CD > > when a person > > presents a Kidney differency. > > > > > ===== > http://www.geocities.com/mojavecowboy/clinicgz.htm > > TCM Acupuncture, Herbs, M.A., M.J.,M.L.I.S. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________ ______________________ Message: 23 Thu, 10 Feb 2005 22:34:11 +1000 <> RE: Re: Statin drugs, fats and insulin Emmanuel, Perhaps you can explain this to me. If one has insulin resistance why would you continue to eat a predominance of carbohydrate? Why not use a fuel source the body can't handle? One should also be aware that insulin does far more than clear the blood of sugar. For instance it also gathers the magnesium and no magnesium is going to mean high blood pressure. If a mother has insulin resistance when pregnant she passes this on, not genetically but environmentally to her foetus. No wonder type II diabetes is now in young kids under the age of 10. Humans didn't cultivate grains until quite late in our history. And certainly did not eat them in the volume currently recommended or with present day processing and not with the multitude of chemicals and sugar that is added routinely. We certainly didn't eat the main staples of wheat, rice, and corn that are found today; there were many more varieties of grains and cereals for those tribes th Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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