Guest guest Posted May 5, 2003 Report Share Posted May 5, 2003 To add to Hugo's point, in japanese meridian acupuncture this is called " live point " location. You first find the anatomical point and then palpate for the " live point " . This was not stressed in the TCM School I attended. I learned it after graduating,from my japanese acupuncture teacher, kuahara sensei. Its not really 'intuition " but a learned palpatory art the way I was taught. If you are interested, Shudo Denmai has just published an excellent book on this subject called " Finding effective acupuncture points " . Michael Chinese Traditional Medicine , Twyla Hoodah <twylahoodah> wrote: > Hugo...This information is intriguing....do I understand you to mean much of this technique involves " intuition " ? can you talk more about this or refer those interested to other sources? I find I have intuitively often done this w/patients...although someone reluctantly Ps. at times due to the way I was taught .....i.e. to be " precise " w/point location. Thanks, TH > > Hugo Ramiro <subincor> wrote:--- Penel Eynde LeGrand <hyldemoer> wrote: > > I was talking about the concept of being born with > > Extraordinary > > Vessels with the 12 Meridians developing over the > > next couple of > > months. > > Which of us is missing something? > > Me. Yes, the above is true as well. The meridians F> need time to fill out or 'inflate'. > > > I'm not as good with words as Robert (and I am no > > way qualified > > as a teacher of the art as he is) but I understand > > it to be finding > > the acupuncture point beyond just using the physical > > measurement of > > the body. > > Yes, in fact, this is essential. Simply inserting at > the prescribed location will often cause the patient a > lot of pain - this is what many medical acupuncturists > do, since they don't believe in 'qi'. Once the > traditional location is found, one proceeds to the > next traditional step which is to find the actual > point. The angle and depth of insertion also has to be > determined. The doctrine gives us set paramters as > guidelines to help us as we're learning. But once > we've learned we need to take it deeper and actually > feel the points and recognise that location, angle and > depth all vary in certain ways depending on pattern, > season etc. > Skilled qi gong practitioners can move most of their > points up to 2 inches, usually. > > See Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2003 Report Share Posted May 6, 2003 The one such call " live point " we call it personal or individual point, and the way to find it's some times at pacient call: First you find the theorical point, then you will palpate the surrounding area, where you find a sensation of healing,it will give you a sensation of energy that's begining to flow, to expand, that's your personal point, your individual place of it, the pacient most of the ocations can tell wich of the presure point -at the surrounding area- is giving the bigest sensation, of energy or healing, but no it's not a intuition. Some acupuncture doctors i've seen, use a pharasycologycal method: they sense in theyr finger tip the personal ubication of the individual point, saying: " it's not always at the same spot, some times they move at the surrounding area " Bye to all. Chinese Traditional Medicine , " chinesemedicineman " <chinesemedicineman> wrote: > To add to Hugo's point, in japanese meridian acupuncture this is > called " live point " location. You first find the anatomical point and > then palpate for the " live point " . This was not stressed in the TCM > School I attended. I learned it after graduating,from my japanese > acupuncture teacher, kuahara sensei. Its not really 'intuition " but a > learned palpatory art the way I was taught. > > If you are interested, Shudo Denmai has just published an excellent > book on this subject called " Finding effective acupuncture points " . > > Michael > > > Chinese Traditional Medicine , Twyla Hoodah <twylahoodah> > wrote: > > Hugo...This information is intriguing....do I understand you to mean > much of this technique involves " intuition " ? can you talk more about > this or refer those interested to other sources? I find I have > intuitively often done this w/patients...although someone reluctantly > Ps. at times due to the way I was taught .....i.e. to be " precise " > w/point location. Thanks, TH > > > > Hugo Ramiro <subincor> wrote:--- Penel Eynde LeGrand > <hyldemoer> wrote: > > > I was talking about the concept of being born with > > > Extraordinary > > > Vessels with the 12 Meridians developing over the > > > next couple of > > > months. > > > Which of us is missing something? > > > > Me. Yes, the above is true as well. The meridians > F> need time to fill out or 'inflate'. > > > > > I'm not as good with words as Robert (and I am no > > > way qualified > > > as a teacher of the art as he is) but I understand > > > it to be finding > > > the acupuncture point beyond just using the physical > > > measurement of > > > the body. > > > > Yes, in fact, this is essential. Simply inserting at > > the prescribed location will often cause the patient a > > lot of pain - this is what many medical acupuncturists > > do, since they don't believe in 'qi'. Once the > > traditional location is found, one proceeds to the > > next traditional step which is to find the actual > > point. The angle and depth of insertion also has to be > > determined. The doctrine gives us set paramters as > > guidelines to help us as we're learning. But once > > we've learned we need to take it deeper and actually > > feel the points and recognise that location, angle and > > depth all vary in certain ways depending on pattern, > > season etc. > > Skilled qi gong practitioners can move most of their > > points up to 2 inches, usually. > > > > See Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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