chinese medicine vision on mother & baby

[Guest guest]

Hi,

 

I am looking for informations on chinese pediatric massage, as I have a

little girl 3 months old. I found out that babies respond very well to

massage and I would like to know some simple moves to resolve the little

troubles like colics, hiccup, low appetite, nervousness, etc.

 

I am also curious if the meridians and accupuncture points are in the same

configuration on a new born and on an adult.

 

I would like to know also what is the Chinese medicine vision on nursing

(which pattern/element is responsible with milk production, how can it be

improved if the milk is not enough, etc.)

 

Any information in this field (online or book reference) is welcome.

 

Thanks

 

Bogdan

[Guest guest]

Bogdan,

One book that I know of is,

" Chinese Pediatric Massage Therapy " by YaLi Fan, you can get this from Blue

Poppy Press. She was my Tui Na teacher and this is her area of expertise. The

book covers many areas of treatment and prevention of childhood diseases.

 

Stan

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Head and neck problems sometimes occur with young infants. The Native Americans

used to strapp their infants to boards with fabric to limit head movement. Some

massage may be needed when an infant has been jostled due th limited neck muscle

development. Massage is not reccomended due to the age of the infant but

touching TCM pooints for neck pain can help.

 

Bogdan Andone <ando wrote:Hi,

 

I am looking for informations on chinese pediatric massage, as I have a

little girl 3 months old. I found out that babies respond very well to

massage and I would like to know some simple moves to resolve the little

troubles like colics, hiccup, low appetite, nervousness, etc.

 

I am also curious if the meridians and accupuncture points are in the same

configuration on a new born and on an adult.

 

I would like to know also what is the Chinese medicine vision on nursing

(which pattern/element is responsible with milk production, how can it be

improved if the milk is not enough, etc.)

 

Any information in this field (online or book reference) is welcome.

 

Thanks

 

Bogdan

 

 

[Guest guest]

<snip>

> I am also curious if the meridians and accupuncture

> points are in the same configuration on a new born

> and on an adult.

 

In an acupressure workshop several weeks ago it was mentioned in

passing that babies are born with their Extraordinary Vessels but the

12 Meridians develope over the next couple of years.

 

No one had ever suggested such a thing to me before and I was rather

taken by surprise by the whole concept. I justified my silence of

asking more questions at the time with the logic that if this was so,

I'd hear about it again from yet another source.

(Besides, the planned focus of the workshop was very detailed and

facinating in its own right. We hardly had enough time to cover all

that was promised to be taught.)

 

I imagine that eventually I'll be provided with grandchildren to get

some very first hand up close experience of what such a thing might

feel like from birth.

 

In the mean time its been brought to my attention that Robert Hayden

will be teaching a class here in Chicago on Shonishin: Traditional

Japanese Pediatric Treatment for Bodyworkers.

 

(Yes, its based on Japanese theory but I've heard it said that theory

coming out of China since Mao is not the same as before Mao and then

there's also the Japanese idea of " live points " ...)

 

If I can manage to find the time to take this class, 1 June, you can

be sure I'll ask the Extraordinary Vessel / Meridian question if an

answer isn't offered first.

 

If you'd like a forward of information on the class, e mail me off

list.

 

Robert's web address is http://jabinet.net.

 

Penel

[Guest guest]

Hi!

 

--- Penel Eynde LeGrand <hyldemoer wrote:

> asking more questions at the time with the logic

> that if this was so,

> I'd hear about it again from yet another source.

 

Yes, I think it's true. I use pediatric tui na a lot

and it works really really well. Or perhaps I should

say that a small child will recover quickly with just

a little correct stimulation.

 

> (Yes, its based on Japanese theory but I've heard it

> said that theory

> coming out of China since Mao is not the same as

> before Mao and then

> there's also the Japanese idea of " live points " ...)

 

What are live points?

 

Bye,

Hugo

 

 

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Chinese Traditional Medicine , Hugo Ramiro <subincor>

wrote:

> Hi!

>

> --- Penel Eynde LeGrand <hyldemoer> wrote:

> > asking more questions at the time with the logic

> > that if this was so,

> > I'd hear about it again from yet another source.

>

> Yes, I think it's true. I use pediatric tui na a lot

> and it works really really well. Or perhaps I should

> say that a small child will recover quickly with just

> a little correct stimulation.

 

I was talking about the concept of being born with Extraordinary

Vessels with the 12 Meridians developing over the next couple of

months.

Which of us is missing something?

 

<snip>

> > there's also the Japanese idea of " live points " ...)

>

> What are live points?

 

Robert gives an explaination this concept at

<http://jabinet.net/livept.html>

 

I'm not as good with words as Robert (and I am no way qualified

as a teacher of the art as he is) but I understand it to be finding

the acupuncture point beyond just using the physical measurement of

the body.

 

I think perhaps all good acupuncturists do this but the Japanese

systems that Robert teaches give permission and encouragement to do

this.

 

The acupuncture charts of TCM they are quite specific as to where a

point should be based on the landscape of the body.

 

The Japanese " live point " use the landscape plus an awareness of where

the point can be on an energetic level.

 

If I understand this theory correctly it would be like my looking for

Spleen #6 or Kidney #3 on a client by using anatomical measurements.

To find the " live point " however, once I get to where the point should

be, I open my awareness to the essence of the point.

 

The point and its angle can move around.

Nothing is arbitrary.

The point's actual location is not arbitrary.

 

Perhaps this concept means so much to me is because I practice

shiatsu. When a session progesses to where I start directing my

attention beyond a meridian to a specific point, I'm still relying on

feedback to tell me where the point is, what angle has the most effect

and how long to hold the point.

 

I mentioned the " live point " concept because when I've taken classes

where " live points " were suggested the acupuncturists and acupuncture

students who were trained in TCM seemed to react as if they were being

given permission to practice shamanism.

They seemed to enjoy that novelty.

 

Penel

[Guest guest]

Thanks Stan,

 

At Blus Poppy Press I also viewed " A Handbook of TCM Pediatrics " by

Bob Flaws. Do you know something about it, or about Bob Flaws area of

expertise in TCM area?

 

Bogdan

 

Chinese Traditional Medicine , KarateStan@a... wrote:

> Bogdan,

> One book that I know of is,

> " Chinese Pediatric Massage Therapy " by YaLi Fan, you can get this

from Blue

> Poppy Press. She was my Tui Na teacher and this is her area of

expertise. The

> book covers many areas of treatment and prevention of childhood

diseases.

>

> Stan

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 5/5/03 4:00:38 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

ando writes:

 

> At Blus Poppy Press I also viewed " A Handbook of TCM Pediatrics " by

> Bob Flaws. Do you know something about it, or about Bob Flaws area of

> expertise in TCM area?

>

 

I know he treats pediatric patients.

 

Stan

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Bogdan wrote: At Blus Poppy Press I also viewed " A Handbook of TCM

Pediatrics " by Bob Flaws. Do you know something about it, or about Bob

Flaws area of expertise in TCM area?.....

 

I am an acupuncturist in Colorado. I own this book and can

recommend it. Bob Flaws' books are not just based on his own

expertise, but the best and current research from China. This book

represents how children are treated in China.

I know Bob trained in China for pediatrics, as well as treating the

children of his adult patients. In fact, Bob has said that treating

children naturally came about because of his gynocology patients (his

expertise) asking him to treat thier children, as well as treating his

own children.

This book is required reading for the blue poppy certificate course

in pediatrics I am currently taking.

 

hope this helps,

Michael Rich MSTC

[Guest guest]

--- Penel Eynde LeGrand <hyldemoer wrote:

> I was talking about the concept of being born with

> Extraordinary

> Vessels with the 12 Meridians developing over the

> next couple of

> months.

> Which of us is missing something?

 

Me. Yes, the above is true as well. The meridians

need time to fill out or 'inflate'.

 

> I'm not as good with words as Robert (and I am no

> way qualified

> as a teacher of the art as he is) but I understand

> it to be finding

> the acupuncture point beyond just using the physical

> measurement of

> the body.

 

Yes, in fact, this is essential. Simply inserting at

the prescribed location will often cause the patient a

lot of pain - this is what many medical acupuncturists

do, since they don't believe in 'qi'. Once the

traditional location is found, one proceeds to the

next traditional step which is to find the actual

point. The angle and depth of insertion also has to be

determined. The doctrine gives us set paramters as

guidelines to help us as we're learning. But once

we've learned we need to take it deeper and actually

feel the points and recognise that location, angle and

depth all vary in certain ways depending on pattern,

season etc.

Skilled qi gong practitioners can move most of their

points up to 2 inches, usually.

 

See you,

Hugo

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Hugo...This information is intriguing....do I understand you to mean much of

this technique involves " intuition " ? can you talk more about this or refer those

interested to other sources? I find I have intuitively often done this

w/patients...although someone reluctantly at times due to the way I was taught

......i.e. to be " precise " w/point location. Thanks, TH

 

Hugo Ramiro <subincor wrote:--- Penel Eynde LeGrand

<hyldemoer wrote:

> I was talking about the concept of being born with

> Extraordinary

> Vessels with the 12 Meridians developing over the

> next couple of

> months.

> Which of us is missing something?

 

Me. Yes, the above is true as well. The meridians

need time to fill out or 'inflate'.

 

> I'm not as good with words as Robert (and I am no

> way qualified

> as a teacher of the art as he is) but I understand

> it to be finding

> the acupuncture point beyond just using the physical

> measurement of

> the body.

 

Yes, in fact, this is essential. Simply inserting at

the prescribed location will often cause the patient a

lot of pain - this is what many medical acupuncturists

do, since they don't believe in 'qi'. Once the

traditional location is found, one proceeds to the

next traditional step which is to find the actual

point. The angle and depth of insertion also has to be

determined. The doctrine gives us set paramters as

guidelines to help us as we're learning. But once

we've learned we need to take it deeper and actually

feel the points and recognise that location, angle and

depth all vary in certain ways depending on pattern,

season etc.

Skilled qi gong practitioners can move most of their

points up to 2 inches, usually.

 

See you,

Hugo

 

 

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Hugo Ramiro <subincor wrote:--- Penel Eynde LeGrand

<hyldemoer wrote:

> I was talking about the concept of being born with

> Extraordinary

> Vessels with the 12 Meridians developing over the

> next couple of

> months.

> Which of us is missing something?

 

Me. Yes, the above is true as well. The meridians

need time to fill out or 'inflate'.

 

> I'm not as good with words as Robert (and I am no

> way qualified

> as a teacher of the art as he is) but I understand

> it to be finding

> the acupuncture point beyond just using the physical

> measurement of

> the body.

 

Yes, in fact, this is essential. Simply inserting at

the prescribed location will often cause the patient a

lot of pain - this is what many medical acupuncturists

do, since they don't believe in 'qi'. Once the

traditional location is found, one proceeds to the

next traditional step which is to find the actual

point. The angle and depth of insertion also has to be

determined. The doctrine gives us set paramters as

guidelines to help us as we're learning. But once

we've learned we need to take it deeper and actually

feel the points and recognise that location, angle and

depth all vary in certain ways depending on pattern,

season etc.

Skilled qi gong practitioners can move most of their

points up to 2 inches, usually.

 

See you,

Hugo

 

 

Plus

For a better Internet experience

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[Guest guest]

Hi there...

 

--- Twyla Hoodah <twylahoodah wrote:

 

> Hugo...This information is intriguing....do I

> understand you to mean much of this technique

> involves " intuition " ?

 

No, it involves very clear, reproducible and

meaningful sensations. Coupled with the Chinese

Medical theory we can use this perception very

accurately.

My point of view is that intuition is a powerful

tool, however it is too vague when we are young. I

trust my mom's intuition 100%, but she's in her mid

50s. She has had a lot of time in which to refine and

correct herself - know herself, in other words.

Knowing oneself is absolutely essential when dealing

with deep internal impulses. It's a deep skill. I

don't trust mine, even though it can be good. I always

corroborate and try to find reason. And with enough

effort, I can find reason. At that point I find that

having exercised my intuition and my reason I end up

deepening both. I understand that this may be a

somehwat male point of view.

 

> can you talk more about this

> or refer those interested to other sources? I find I

> have intuitively often done this

> w/patients...

 

Yeah sure, and I feel you should build the other side

as well.

And let's not all of us forget about a shi points,

which are important to needle but which do not replace

the actual meridian points. If you're too far off the

traditional location, please don't find it easy to

believe that you are still on the meridian. In my

experience, you should always be within about 1-2 cm

of the classical location, and usually within 1 cm.

Anything else is an ashi/temporary point. (Extra

points, because they are catalogued with known

locations, I will place under the category of regular

acupunctuncture points).

 

> although someone reluctantly at times

> due to the way I was taught .....i.e. to be

> " precise " w/point location. Thanks, TH

 

You need to be very very precise.

 

That basic skill needs to be there. Remember that you

are dealing with so many generations' worth of

experience. The precise classical locations count for

a great deal. And by basic, I don't mean simple or not

worthwhile. I mean a _basic_, _Fundamental_, " root "

sort of idea.

 

Remember that while points can move etc etc, we are

dealing with a habit pattern - what I mean is that in

the human energy field, a point will be where it's

" supposed " to be most of the time, and it will appear

to move a certain amount. But its 'habitual space'

leaves an imprint on the physical world that remains.

It's kinda like being in a rut! Points are vortices ,

and the root of the vortice is _at_ the _ classical _

point _ location! That's one reason why angle is

important as well as location when doing " live " pt

stuff.

Energy is energy and very changeable etc, but

material forms are energy too. Slowly moving, slowly

changing energy. So let's not forget that blood is the

mother of energy and energy is the commander of blood.

In other words, yin gives birth to yang, and yang

activates yin. The body has 'physical', 'material'

components that are the roots of our energy system. It

is very difficult to move these physical roots, as you

can imagine! So again, don't be to quick to move

off the classical locations, but, yes, absolutely

recognise that points can move, and that temporary

vortices do appear throughout the body, often in close

proximity to the classical points...often spinning off

or spinning into them.

Just remember that qi is rooted in blood, that yang

births from yin. Our physical body is very important,

that's why we've got one.

 

Of course, the above is only theory and shouldbe

taken as such, and of course there are exceptions and

other ways to look at it. Right now, it's the way that

fits my experience most closely, as well as fitting

what I was taught.

 

Hope that helps. Let me kno what questions you have.

 

Hugo

 

 

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> Yes, in fact, this is essential. Simply inserting at

> the prescribed location will often cause the patient a

> lot of pain - this is what many medical acupuncturists

> do, since they don't believe in 'qi'. Once the

> traditional location is found, one proceeds to the

> next traditional step which is to find the actual

> point. The angle and depth of insertion also has to be

> determined.

 

Much thanks to you, Michael, and others for posting on this.

 

When I do acupressure on myself, sometimes it feels like the points

aren't where they should be. Sometimes it's the location, but

sometimes it's the angle of my holding the point that feels wrong.

 

I told myself that it didn't matter because I was using acupressure

instead of acupuncture, and a finger or thumb covers a lot more space

than a needle point does. But it didn't feel exactly right, and this

was confusing to me.

 

Thanks for clearing this up. The next time I run into some of these

points, I'm going for what feels like the point instead of where it

should be.

 

These points do feel different when you palpate them. Sometimes it's

like a very slight swelling or even a hardness. Sometimes a slight

temperature variation. My greatest guide to points is that so many

of the ones I need to work are sore.

 

I responded to a post on FMS earlier tonight. One thing that I forgot

to mention is that people with FMS and CFIDS often have an advantage

when it comes to doing acupressure on themselves. The points often

are sore. It can be a great aid in finding them. Also in knowing

which points to hold and how.

 

Usually the points only hurt when pressed on. But someimes the

points are so sore that one feels the soreness wihout having to press

on them. Bladder 23, especially on the right, is like that for me.

 

Victoria

[Guest guest]

--- victoria_dragon <victoria_dragon

wrote: > > Yes, in fact, this is essential. Simply

inserting

> at

> > the prescribed location will often cause the

> patient a

> > lot of pain - this is what many medical

> acupuncturists

> > do, since they don't believe in 'qi'. Once the

> > traditional location is found, one proceeds to the

> > next traditional step which is to find the actual

> > point. The angle and depth of insertion also has

> to be

> > determined.

>

> Much thanks to you, Michael, and others for posting

> on this.

 

The top section was me, not Michael, Victoria.

Just to be clear.

 

One more thing about points that may interest the

group. One reason it is important to keep to the

classical locations is because sometimes the points

are buried by tough, tense tissue. Working on the

exact classical point will open it up. This is easier

to do with a needle.

With enough practice, one can feel even a closed

point.

Imagine that a river has an obstruction in the

middle, nd therefore the flow is diverted, either

pooling to one side or flowng around the obstruction.

The 'live' points can be caused by this situation

-and we feel the soreness in the pool or in th

diverted flow, rather than on the obstructed point.

Remember that if tisue is too tense, or too dpleted,

then it can be difficult to achieve sensation.

 

I guess all I am saying is that yes, points move and

we need to treat them, but let's not forget the

classical points. Their location is very specific for

a reason.

 

Ok, bye,

Hugo

 

 

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[Guest guest]

the points from my hips down to my knees on the sides of my legs are always

sore...is this a sign of FMS?

michelle

kitten in arm:one handed typing

-

victoria_dragon

Chinese Traditional Medicine

Thursday, May 08, 2003 6:35 PM

[Chinese Traditional Medicine] Re: chinese medicine vision on mother & baby

 

 

> Yes, in fact, this is essential. Simply inserting at

> the prescribed location will often cause the patient a

> lot of pain - this is what many medical acupuncturists

> do, since they don't believe in 'qi'. Once the

> traditional location is found, one proceeds to the

> next traditional step which is to find the actual

> point. The angle and depth of insertion also has to be

> determined.

 

Much thanks to you, Michael, and others for posting on this.

 

When I do acupressure on myself, sometimes it feels like the points

aren't where they should be. Sometimes it's the location, but

sometimes it's the angle of my holding the point that feels wrong.

 

I told myself that it didn't matter because I was using acupressure

instead of acupuncture, and a finger or thumb covers a lot more space

than a needle point does. But it didn't feel exactly right, and this

was confusing to me.

 

Thanks for clearing this up. The next time I run into some of these

points, I'm going for what feels like the point instead of where it

should be.

 

These points do feel different when you palpate them. Sometimes it's

like a very slight swelling or even a hardness. Sometimes a slight

temperature variation. My greatest guide to points is that so many

of the ones I need to work are sore.

 

I responded to a post on FMS earlier tonight. One thing that I forgot

to mention is that people with FMS and CFIDS often have an advantage

when it comes to doing acupressure on themselves. The points often

are sore. It can be a great aid in finding them. Also in knowing

which points to hold and how.

 

Usually the points only hurt when pressed on. But someimes the

points are so sore that one feels the soreness wihout having to press

on them. Bladder 23, especially on the right, is like that for me.

 

Victoria

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

--- michellec <michellec wrote: > the

points from my hips down to my knees on the

> sides of my legs are always sore...is this a sign of

> FMS?

 

It's probably a sign of blood deficiency and some

sort of problem in the Gallbladder meridian. FMS may

be involved, but I wouldn't necessarily look at it

from that focus.

 

See you,

Hugo

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Thank you, Hugo.

I knew I had blood deficiency and energy deficiency (is that right?). Didn't

know about gallbladder meridian. I am going to start taking ginseng. All I

could find was powdered Korean Ginseng. I did a muscle testing type test on it

and feel good about taking it.

Michelle

-

Hugo Ramiro

Chinese Traditional Medicine

Friday, May 09, 2003 11:22 AM

Re: [Chinese Traditional Medicine] Re: chinese medicine vision on mother & baby

 

 

--- michellec <michellec wrote: > the

points from my hips down to my knees on the

> sides of my legs are always sore...is this a sign of

> FMS?

 

It's probably a sign of blood deficiency and some

sort of problem in the Gallbladder meridian. FMS may

be involved, but I wouldn't necessarily look at it

from that focus.

 

See you,

Hugo

 

Plus

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[Guest guest]

--- michellec <michellec wrote:

 

> Thank you, Hugo.

 

You are welcome.

 

> I knew I had blood deficiency and energy deficiency

> (is that right?). Didn't know about gallbladder

> meridian. I am going to start taking ginseng. All

> I could find was powdered Korean Ginseng. I did a

> muscle testing type test on it and feel good about

> taking it.

 

Hmm. Ok, but you should be careful.

You should not take Korean Ginseng if you have

symptoms of heat:

-hot palms or soles

-afternoon or evening fever or low grade fever

-infections or colds including full fevers

-red flushed face, or flushed cheeks or a face which

easily flushes

-sensations of uprushing heat or energy from lower

abdomen to upper part of body (for example, hot

flashes/flushes)

-wearing few clothes, like for cold drinks

-dry eyes, bloodshot eyes, eyes that are sensitive to

light, red eyelids, burning eyes

-headaches that have a sharp, piercing or hot, full

nature, worse at night, headache at top of head

(vertex headache)

-irritability or anger

-anxiety felt in chest

-feeling jumpy maybe with twitching or tics

-feeling shaky or wired

-easily disturbed heart (palpitations, flustered

easily, empty weak feeling)

-insomnia WITH inability to get to sleep due to

restlessness, anxiety, irritability, racing mind,

restless sleep with lots of dreams or nightmares

 

Korean ginseng is said to be hot and can cause or

aggravate symptoms such as the above.

 

You may be ok taking a low dosage, or taking the

ginseng for a short time only, just keep the above in

mind and keep an eye out for heat signs and symptoms.

Don't intend to scare you, just trying to be somewhat

complete for the list.

The symptoms in the list can be from categories such

as

Hollow Heat

Solid Heat

Liver Heat

Heart Heat

Liver Yin / Blood Vacuity

Heart Yin / Blood Vacuity

Blood Vacuity

Liver Fire

Heart Fire

 

Hope this is helpful,

Thanks,

Hugo

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Dear Hugo,

this is very helpful. Thank you for such a complete reply. Thank you also for

your careful concern. I am damp, cold, deficient...(sounds like I know what I'm

talking about, but I am very new at Chinese medicine).

Blessings,

Michelle

-

Hugo Ramiro

Chinese Traditional Medicine

Saturday, May 10, 2003 8:18 AM

Re: [Chinese Traditional Medicine] Re: chinese medicine vision on mother & baby

 

 

--- michellec <michellec wrote:

 

> Thank you, Hugo.

 

You are welcome.

 

> I knew I had blood deficiency and energy deficiency

> (is that right?). Didn't know about gallbladder

> meridian. I am going to start taking ginseng. All

> I could find was powdered Korean Ginseng. I did a

> muscle testing type test on it and feel good about

> taking it.

 

Hmm. Ok, but you should be careful.

You should not take Korean Ginseng if you have

symptoms of heat:

-hot palms or soles

-afternoon or evening fever or low grade fever

-infections or colds including full fevers

-red flushed face, or flushed cheeks or a face which

easily flushes

-sensations of uprushing heat or energy from lower

abdomen to upper part of body (for example, hot

flashes/flushes)

-wearing few clothes, like for cold drinks

-dry eyes, bloodshot eyes, eyes that are sensitive to

light, red eyelids, burning eyes

-headaches that have a sharp, piercing or hot, full

nature, worse at night, headache at top of head

(vertex headache)

-irritability or anger

-anxiety felt in chest

-feeling jumpy maybe with twitching or tics

-feeling shaky or wired

-easily disturbed heart (palpitations, flustered

easily, empty weak feeling)

-insomnia WITH inability to get to sleep due to

restlessness, anxiety, irritability, racing mind,

restless sleep with lots of dreams or nightmares

 

Korean ginseng is said to be hot and can cause or

aggravate symptoms such as the above.

 

You may be ok taking a low dosage, or taking the

ginseng for a short time only, just keep the above in

mind and keep an eye out for heat signs and symptoms.

Don't intend to scare you, just trying to be somewhat

complete for the list.

The symptoms in the list can be from categories such

as

Hollow Heat

Solid Heat

Liver Heat

Heart Heat

Liver Yin / Blood Vacuity

Heart Yin / Blood Vacuity

Blood Vacuity

Liver Fire

Heart Fire

 

Hope this is helpful,

Thanks,

Hugo

 

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--- michellec <michellec wrote:

> Thank you also for your careful concern. I

> am damp, cold, deficient...

 

Hi, You're welcome. I'd liek to have it clear

though - you have _no_ heat signs?

If that's so, then great, you can try the Korean

ginseng, and I would recommend one thing: Try to deal

with the dampness first. You may find that a ginger

tea every day or twice a day may be more beneficial

than the Korean ginseng.

Youc an also combine the two. Perhaps taking the

ginger everyday, and the K ginseng most days. Who

knows. I think you have the basic information down

anyway.

 

Bye!

Hugo

 

 

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I'd liek to have it clear

though - you have _no_ heat signs?

 

I have no heat signs. Not one on the list you sent.

I have tried Ginger tea, but not in such a disciplined fashion. I will try that

now. Thank you.

 

I have been so very tired for so long, I am looking for a way to feel like I can

participate in life more. That is why I am trying the ginseng. I have gone

through a lot of losses/grief, and surgery, and many life changes in the last 8

years. I need to be built back up.

I took black chicken pills for a while and some other pills, but that way is too

expensive for me. I am getting my isolated ingredients here and there as I can

afford them.

Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge with me.

Michelle

 

 

 

 

 

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> > Much thanks to you, Michael, and others for posting

> > on this.

>

> The top section was me, not Michael, Victoria.

> Just to be clear.

 

I knew it was your work; sorry for not wording my thanks very well.

 

> One more thing about points that may interest the

> group. One reason it is important to keep to the

> classical locations is because sometimes the points

> are buried by tough, tense tissue. Working on the

> exact classical point will open it up. This is easier

> to do with a needle.

 

What I'm experiencing with acupressure is working on the apparent

points before working on the classical points works best for me.

Someone else using acupressure may be getting different results, and

I'm interested in hearing from them.

 

Since reading your original post, I've been paying more attention to

the angle of pressure, and that's making a difference.

 

Thanks.

 

Victoria

[Guest guest]

> the points from my hips down to my knees on the sides of my legs

are always sore...is this a sign of FMS?

 

Sore spots for FMS sufferers can show up anywhere on the body - in

addition to the 18 diagnostic points that Western medicine uses to

diagnose Fibromyalgia Syndrome.

 

Both the Gall Bladder and Bladder meridians transverse the outer

sides of the legs. Pain, discoloration, numbness, odd sensations,

etc. along the coarse of a meridian can be symptoms of trouble in

that meridian.

 

I would consider the Bladder meridian first. When outside Pernicious

Evils (Heat, Cold, Wind, Dampness, and/or Dryness) invade, the first

two meridians they invade are the Bladder and the Small Intestine.

The SI runs from the little fingers up the outer sides of the arms.

 

The points that knock out (and give me resistence) to the severe

headaches I used to have are on the Bladder and Small Intestine

meridians. (When the Exterior Pernicious Evil had gone deeper, I had

to work points on other meridians to get rid of the nausea.) Those

horrible, severe headaches that even a shot of Demerol in ER couldn't

knock out, only blunt, were caused by Pernicious Evils invading in my

case. (There can be other causes of headaches, but in my case this

was the Root.)

 

People with FMS and CFIDS tend to be very weather sensitive. And, we

don't adapt very quickly or easily to changes in weather. The reasons

why a person is weather sensitive can be Protective Qi Deficiency,

chronic and long-term Kidney Yang Deficiency, and Blood Deficiency.

It's usually Protective Qi Deficiency, but if the person has been

having severe problems for a number of years, Kidney Yang and/or

Blood Deficiency almost always are present too, and just treating the

Protective Qi Deficiency won't be enough.

 

One of the main herbs for boosting Protective Qi is astragalus.

 

Even though problems in the meridians are not as serious as

imbalances in the Organs, this does not mean that meridian problems

can't be extremely painful and debilitating.

 

Victoria

[Guest guest]

> I knew I had blood deficiency and energy deficiency (is that

right?). Didn't know about gallbladder meridian. I am going to

start taking ginseng. All I could find was powdered Korean Ginseng.

I did a muscle testing type test on it and feel good about taking it.

 

Some authorities warn against using ginseng in cases of CFIDS, and

recommend that cordonopsis be substituted instead in these cases

where formulas call for ginseng.

 

Victoria