Dong Chong Xia Cao for SARs / Pneumonia ?

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What is wrong with Dong Chong Xia Cao ?

 

Is it contraindicated with anything I wonder ? I thought it was supposed to

be one of the best herbs around to treat Lung problems but no-one has

bothered to comment on my suggestion. Now I am wondering if I have got it

terribly wromg OR if no-one else has experience of the stuff enough to

comment intelligently ;-)

 

As far as I am aware Dong Chong Xia Cao can be used as a Lung tonic over

long periods without adverse effect, it also strengthens the Kidney. So how

about it TCM guys and girls :

 

Is Dong Chong Xia Cao good for treating SARs / Pneumonia or not ?

 

Sammy.

 

 

ga.bates [ga.bates]

07 April 2003 00:04

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What about dong chong xia cao ? The prince of herbs ! Sammy.

 

 

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06 April 2003 19:47

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[Guest guest]

Don't let the site stress you. Communications Law is important in your post.

There is no way to prove that your message got through to anyone on the other

end. Pewrhaps noone has even heardf of your herb? Does it have another name?

Pidge ie ? I Studied communications in school and am interested in the process

and effects. The net is still an exclusive tool. We can compare the social and

even m,edical effects of the use of communications devices. How many times have

you been hung up on by phone? Or yelled at your kid about the TV?

ga.bates wrote:

What is wrong with Dong Chong Xia Cao ?

 

Is it contraindicated with anything I wonder ? I thought it was supposed to

be one of the best herbs around to treat Lung problems but no-one has

bothered to comment on my suggestion. Now I am wondering if I have got it

terribly wromg OR if no-one else has experience of the stuff enough to

comment intelligently ;-)

 

As far as I am aware Dong Chong Xia Cao can be used as a Lung tonic over

long periods without adverse effect, it also strengthens the Kidney. So how

about it TCM guys and girls :

 

Is Dong Chong Xia Cao good for treating SARs / Pneumonia or not ?

 

Sammy.

 

 

ga.bates [ga.bates]

07 April 2003 00:04

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RE: [Chinese Traditional Medicine] sars / pneumonia

 

 

What about dong chong xia cao ? The prince of herbs ! Sammy.

 

 

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06 April 2003 19:47

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[Chinese Traditional Medicine] sars / pneumonia

 

 

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TCM.

http://asia.news./030405/3/vbk3.html

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Dong chong xia cao is a very expensive herb and is often faked.

Secondly, it is a tonifier. In the situation of pneumonia, one

should clear heat and release exterior pathogens; tonifiers are

contraindicated in most cases of exterior illnesses.

 

R

[Guest guest]

I agree something strange is going on. I thought it was perhaps because I

responded 'negatively' to an anti-war email a few weeks ago. I don't want to

raise OT subjects but it seems to me that people 'make up their mind about

someone' even at a distance and without the full facts - then cut them out

of the discussion. That is an observation, I am not complaining. I have

experienced many emails lists and this is a problematic phenomenon: a

breakdown of constructive communication into trivial chatter, 'social

stroking' and propping up egos. I guess some monkey behaviour is to be

expected even via email, but I prefer to use the resource as a research

tool.

 

I think your 'theory' about my emails " not getting through " is a bit far

fetched though. The way the listserver works, if one person on the list gets

an email then it means that post has been distributed and everyone with an

intact and functioning account will also receive the email.

 

As for Dong Chong Xia Cao it can be easily found on a Google search. Anyone

who takes the trouble to check it out will discover it was a favourite with

the Chinese elite classes in 'olden times' : a very rare (and expensive)

herb that was used to enhance sexual prowess (Kidney), but also had the

property of improving Lung function. That is why I said it was a 'tonic' and

might be useful to help prevent air born infection with SARs. [ I didn't say

a tonic should be used to actually treat pneumonia as someone commented. ]

 

Nowadays Dong Chong Xia Cao is available in a sterile biomass form 100% pure

from a European producer (MRL - mycology research limited ;-) It is finding

a place in veterinary medicine. Horses seem to like it.

 

Sammy.

 

 

Hoang Ho [twomtns2002]

07 April 2003 18:14

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Re: [Chinese Traditional Medicine] Dong Chong Xia Cao for SARs / Pneumonia ?

 

 

 

Don't let the site stress you. Communications Law is important in your post.

There is no way to prove that your message got through to anyone on the

other end. Pewrhaps noone has even heardf of your herb? Does it have another

name? Pidge ie ? I Studied communications in school and am interested in the

process and effects. The net is still an exclusive tool. We can compare the

social and even m,edical effects of the use of communications devices. How

many times have you been hung up on by phone? Or yelled at your kid about

the TV?

ga.bates wrote:

What is wrong with Dong Chong Xia Cao ?

 

Is it contraindicated with anything I wonder ? I thought it was supposed to

be one of the best herbs around to treat Lung problems but no-one has

bothered to comment on my suggestion. Now I am wondering if I have got it

terribly wromg OR if no-one else has experience of the stuff enough to

comment intelligently ;-)

 

As far as I am aware Dong Chong Xia Cao can be used as a Lung tonic over

long periods without adverse effect, it also strengthens the Kidney. So how

about it TCM guys and girls :

 

Is Dong Chong Xia Cao good for treating SARs / Pneumonia or not ?

 

Sammy.

 

 

ga.bates [ga.bates]

07 April 2003 00:04

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RE: [Chinese Traditional Medicine] sars / pneumonia

 

 

What about dong chong xia cao ? The prince of herbs ! Sammy.

 

 

Hugo Ramiro [subincor]

06 April 2003 19:47

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[Chinese Traditional Medicine] sars / pneumonia

 

 

here's a news article link that at least mentions

TCM.

http://asia.news./030405/3/vbk3.html

 

 

Plus

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Dear Sammy,

 

 

the intrinsic as to why and why not people respond to your mail is probably far

more simple then the cold shoulder treatment:-)

 

I like the idea but...

 

It needs to be question and investigated...

 

Are the any cheaper " substitutes " in combination and so forth...?

 

Would it not be prudent to do a pattern identification and constitutional

tendency five phases or otherwise...

more qi kung and tui nai (specially for children...?)

 

As always in Chinese medicine one thing does not necessarily exclude another...

 

I think your letter came across as during the active phase and then the

suggestion would have been rather premature, but hey this is communication long

distance and not face to face so many factors can contribute to such

misunderstandings...

 

 

Marco

 

Ps. all letters not related to Chinese medicine is out of the scope of this list

specially politics, and by the sound of it we probably do not see eye to eye on

such things but it would be a great lost for me to ignore your valid opinion as

a human being... and TCM practitioner...

 

Where do you practice?

 

 

-

ga.bates

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Tuesday, April 08, 2003 6:01 AM

RE: [Chinese Traditional Medicine] Dong Chong Xia Cao for SARs / Pneumonia ?

 

 

 

I agree something strange is going on. I thought it was perhaps because I

responded 'negatively' to an anti-war email a few weeks ago. I don't want to

raise OT subjects but it seems to me that people 'make up their mind about

someone' even at a distance and without the full facts - then cut them out

of the discussion. That is an observation, I am not complaining. I have

experienced many emails lists and this is a problematic phenomenon: a

breakdown of constructive communication into trivial chatter, 'social

stroking' and propping up egos. I guess some monkey behaviour is to be

expected even via email, but I prefer to use the resource as a research

tool.

 

I think your 'theory' about my emails " not getting through " is a bit far

fetched though. The way the listserver works, if one person on the list gets

an email then it means that post has been distributed and everyone with an

intact and functioning account will also receive the email.

 

As for Dong Chong Xia Cao it can be easily found on a Google search. Anyone

who takes the trouble to check it out will discover it was a favourite with

the Chinese elite classes in 'olden times' : a very rare (and expensive)

herb that was used to enhance sexual prowess (Kidney), but also had the

property of improving Lung function. That is why I said it was a 'tonic' and

might be useful to help prevent air born infection with SARs. [ I didn't say

a tonic should be used to actually treat pneumonia as someone commented. ]

 

Nowadays Dong Chong Xia Cao is available in a sterile biomass form 100% pure

from a European producer (MRL - mycology research limited ;-) It is finding

a place in veterinary medicine. Horses seem to like it.

 

Sammy.

 

Hoang Ho [twomtns2002]

07 April 2003 18:14

Chinese Traditional Medicine

Re: [Chinese Traditional Medicine] Dong Chong Xia Cao for SARs / Pneumonia ?

 

 

 

Don't let the site stress you. Communications Law is important in your post.

There is no way to prove that your message got through to anyone on the

other end. Pewrhaps noone has even heardf of your herb? Does it have another

name? Pidge ie ? I Studied communications in school and am interested in the

process and effects. The net is still an exclusive tool. We can compare the

social and even m,edical effects of the use of communications devices. How

many times have you been hung up on by phone? Or yelled at your kid about

the TV?

ga.bates wrote:

What is wrong with Dong Chong Xia Cao ?

 

Is it contraindicated with anything I wonder ? I thought it was supposed to

be one of the best herbs around to treat Lung problems but no-one has

bothered to comment on my suggestion. Now I am wondering if I have got it

terribly wromg OR if no-one else has experience of the stuff enough to

comment intelligently ;-)

 

As far as I am aware Dong Chong Xia Cao can be used as a Lung tonic over

long periods without adverse effect, it also strengthens the Kidney. So how

about it TCM guys and girls :

 

Is Dong Chong Xia Cao good for treating SARs / Pneumonia or not ?

 

Sammy.

 

ga.bates [ga.bates]

07 April 2003 00:04

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RE: [Chinese Traditional Medicine] sars / pneumonia

 

 

What about dong chong xia cao ? The prince of herbs ! Sammy.

 

Hugo Ramiro [subincor]

06 April 2003 19:47

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[Chinese Traditional Medicine] sars / pneumonia

 

 

here's a news article link that at least mentions

TCM.

http://asia.news./030405/3/vbk3.html

 

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[Guest guest]

> I agree something strange is going on. I thought it was perhaps

because I

> responded 'negatively' to an anti-war email a few weeks ago. I

don't want to

> raise OT subjects but it seems to me that people 'make up their

mind about

> someone' even at a distance and without the full facts - then cut

them out

> of the discussion.

 

No, what actually happens is that people don't know the answer.

 

I can't tell you how many times I've wished I knew the answer to

something and could help someone, but didn't and couldn't. I'm sure

that is happening to a lot of people on here. As more people join

the list, the pool of knowledge becomes greater. I've seen people

pose a question at one point, and no one answered. Months later, the

same question would be posed again, and this time would be answered

because someone had joined the list who had the knowledge and

experience to answer.

 

I started Chinese Traditional Medicine as a way of acquainting relatives and

friends in another part of the country with TCM. I got help from TCM

that I had been unable to get from anything else. For so many years

so little could be done to help me, and I kept getting sicker and

sicker. All that time, all that suffering, and if I had only known

some TCM basics, there were some spices and herbs available in the

spice section of the local supermarket that could have helped some if

only I had known some TCM basics. I wanted my relatives and others

to have that information and not have to go as long without help as I

did. That is why the earliest posts are the most basic and why I

wrote most of them. They are designed to walk people new to TCM

through the basics.

 

Over time the list began to evolve. More and more TCM students and

professional healers joined. Now the list not only serves the

function of helping de-mystify TCM to those unfamiliar with TCM and

providing review for students, but it also functions as a place where

professionals can share information and ask quesitons.

 

I lack clinical experience. I'm not a professional herbalist or

acupunturist or massage therapist. For the most part I leave

clinical questions to the professionals. The main exception being

Cold conditions and Kidney Yang Deficiency which I know a lot about

from personal experience. I simply am not qualified to answer most

questions of a clinical nature.

 

I am very good at teaching basics and at analyzing. I'm also very

good at recognizing talent in others and getting out of the way and

allowing them to do their thing. I'm a published writer - years of

having a weekly column in a small town newspaper, articles and short

stories published in the small press. (Though I'm horrible at

spelling, proof-reading, and typing.) My formal training is in

Biological Agricultural Engineering. I'm a person who has had CFIDS

(Chronic Fatigue Immune Dysfunction Syndrome) for 29 years. I think

of it as getting a healing education the hard way.

 

As for posts not getting through, you're not on moderated status.

The only people on moderated status are one individual who kept on

posting political messages that had nothing to do with healing (after

being warned repeatedly not to) and people who have tried to use the

list to advertise. I'm talking blatant advertising here. They

contributed nothing in terms of sharing helpful information, nothing

in terms of challenging people to think with questions - just " buy

this " from me, from my company, or from a company a friend owns. They

aren't interested in learning or in sharing what they know with

others, just with making money any way they can.

 

What you are experiencing is what a lot of people on here are

experiencing. Discovering that you're the current expert on a

particular topic. When people don't respond, very often it's because

they don't know. Very often in these cases they are hoping that

someone responds who does know or that you keep posting so they can

learn more about something.

 

This discovering that one is the current available expert is going to

continue for a while. TCM is still relatively new in the West. A

lot of information still hasn't been translated from Chinese. There

still aren't as many people involved in TCM as there will be or

people sharing via the Internet as there will be. The Internet itself

is still growing. I can't tell you how many times in the past I

attempted to use the Internet to research a particular topic to

discover only articles written by me! Talk about disconcerting. And

humbling. And a bit scary. Thankfully this is changing. More and

more people are contributing.

 

Like it or not, for a while you and others on here and elsewhere are

going to be the available experts. So when people don't respond, the

greatest probability is that they simply do not know as much as you

do. I'm hoping that you and others instead of walking away from the

responsibility continue to learn more and then share it with the rest

of us. The responsibility can seem daunting at times, but the

alternative is that no one learns if you give it up.

 

Victoria

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I wrote a nice post a few days ago re the info I have

re SARS, but then my computer hung. shrug...

 

--- ga.bates wrote:

> I agree something strange is going on. I thought it

> was perhaps because I

> responded 'negatively' to an anti-war email a few

> weeks ago.

 

Nope.

 

> 'make up their mind about

> someone' even at a distance and without the full

> facts - then cut them out

> of the discussion.

 

Sure, humans can do that.

 

> might be useful to help prevent air born infection

> with SARs. [ I didn't say

> a tonic should be used to actually treat pneumonia

> as someone commented. ]

 

As a preventative it would be useful for lung qi

deficiency. However, a better herb for wei qi

imbalance would be huang qi, since it both toifies qi

and closes the pores.

As you say, expulsion and heat/cold clearing is the

priority for the actual treatment of the SARS or

whatever it is.

I don't have time now, but later I will copy info I

received today which is about SARS and which contains

some herbal formulas.

 

Bye,

Hugo

 

 

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[Guest guest]

I wrote a nice post a few days ago re the info I have

re SARS, but then my computer hung. shrug...

 

--- ga.bates wrote:

> I agree something strange is going on. I thought it

> was perhaps because I

> responded 'negatively' to an anti-war email a few

> weeks ago.

 

Nope.

 

> 'make up their mind about

> someone' even at a distance and without the full

> facts - then cut them out

> of the discussion.

 

Sure, humans can do that.

 

> might be useful to help prevent air born infection

> with SARs. [ I didn't say

> a tonic should be used to actually treat pneumonia

> as someone commented. ]

 

As a preventative it would be useful for lung qi

deficiency. However, a better herb for wei qi

imbalance would be huang qi, since it both toifies qi

and closes the pores.

As you say, expulsion and heat/cold clearing is the

priority for the actual treatment of the SARS or

whatever it is.

I don't have time now, but later I will copy info I

received today which is about SARS and which contains

some herbal formulas.

 

Bye,

Hugo

 

 

Plus

For a better Internet experience

http://www..co.uk/btoffer

[Guest guest]

It is interesting to note that someone said that the herb Dong Chong xia cao has

been faked. The only time I saw it being used was as what I thought of as a

placebo, given to elderly rich Chinese for a liver ailment. (?) It might have

been a fake though.

Hoang Ho <twomtns2002 wrote:

Don't let the site stress you. Communications Law is important in your post.

There is no way to prove that your message got through to anyone on the other

end. Pewrhaps noone has even heardf of your herb? Does it have another name?

Pidge ie ? I Studied communications in school and am interested in the process

and effects. The net is still an exclusive tool. We can compare the social and

even m,edical effects of the use of communications devices. How many times have

you been hung up on by phone? Or yelled at your kid about the TV?

ga.bates wrote:

What is wrong with Dong Chong Xia Cao ?

 

Is it contraindicated with anything I wonder ? I thought it was supposed to

be one of the best herbs around to treat Lung problems but no-one has

bothered to comment on my suggestion. Now I am wondering if I have got it

terribly wromg OR if no-one else has experience of the stuff enough to

comment intelligently ;-)

 

As far as I am aware Dong Chong Xia Cao can be used as a Lung tonic over

long periods without adverse effect, it also strengthens the Kidney. So how

about it TCM guys and girls :

 

Is Dong Chong Xia Cao good for treating SARs / Pneumonia or not ?

 

Sammy.

 

 

ga.bates [ga.bates]

07 April 2003 00:04

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RE: [Chinese Traditional Medicine] sars / pneumonia

 

 

What about dong chong xia cao ? The prince of herbs ! Sammy.

 

 

Hugo Ramiro [subincor]

06 April 2003 19:47

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[Chinese Traditional Medicine] sars / pneumonia

 

 

here's a news article link that at least mentions

TCM.

http://asia.news./030405/3/vbk3.html

 

 

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