Guest guest Posted March 2, 2001 Report Share Posted March 2, 2001 How does this manifest? I would like to know what blood stasis seen at the lips looks like (I'm a student and haver been lurking here >>>>A darkening of color, drying, or duskiness that is loss of clarity of skin and darkening Alon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2001 Report Share Posted March 3, 2001 on 3/1/01 1:17 PM, snakeoil.works at snakeoil.works wrote: > Will asked: > . How do you define a choppy pulse? > > To me the term choppy (se-and I think we should, esp. w/ the pulses, use > also the pinyin) was problematic at first. But the 3-5 description clarified > the knife scraping on bamboo for me. I can't be certain that this was what > was meant, but i visualize the knife scraping the bamboo(not in the angle > like whittling but just scraping the edge sort of perpendicular to it) so as > to form a rough, jumping feeling along the bamboo surface rather than > gliding I agree with Ann. A choppy pulse is SO distinct. the knife on bamboo image is so evocative. It really hits the nail on the head. Rough pulses don't feel good. Of course, I also remember the sick silkworm eating a mulberry leaf image as well. Cara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2002 Report Share Posted May 30, 2002 The notion that a person has to have pain if they have blood stasis is, IMO, ridiculous. Pain is only one symptom of blood stasis. Many people have no symptoms and only signs, such a cherry hemangiomas, age spots, spide nevi, distended sublingual veins, etc. There have been national symposia in China outlining diagnostic algorithms for blood stasis, and these do not include pain as a sine qua non. You might want to check out my audiotape and accompanying booklet on blood stasis. It gives this algorithm and cites its source. Bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2002 Report Share Posted May 30, 2002 Face, and the saving of face, is still very much alive in China. Bob , <@i...> wrote: > > > > > > My intern clarified this after the incident: > > > > 1) I made an error in reporting the hematuria case. the clinician did > > acknowledge a blood stasis pattern for hematuria. > > > > 2) She said that there didn't have to be sharp pain, but he had to > > have some discomfort or some kind of pain in that area, of course not > > associated with the urination. So she did NOT say there had to be SHARP > > pain to dx blood yu, just some pain. > > > But one of her points is that the modern concept of blood stasis and > > disease is based on a EXPANDED view meaning, not the fundamental view of > > blood stasis.. She believes that this expanded view is valid but must be > > understood as such because the rx's for these expanded views are > > different than straight blood stasis patterns… and understanble to so > > extent, because blood stasis usually implies pain , masses etc, and the > > formulas are harsher.. There is a difference, but sometimes the dx can > > be misleading… > > my comment: since yan de xin has elaborated at great length this broader > conception of blood stasis having classical roots, I think this so-called > " expanded idea " has a much purer pedigree than the latent heat/chronic > viral hypothesis, for comparison's sake. As to the supposed difference in > the formulas, I am confused. In the case in question, we noticed that the > formula chosen for the hematuria was easily adapted to the patient's > chronic leg pain with only slight adjustment. In my experience, the same > type of blood stasis formulas and herbs are used whether there is pain or > not. For example, one might use xue fu zhu yu tang for chest or abdominal > pain, but also for depression and liver cirrhosis. > > > > Chinese Herbs > > voice: > fax: > > " Great spirits have always been violently opposed by mediocre minds " -- > Albert Einstein Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2003 Report Share Posted April 2, 2003 Could blood stasis be worsened by treatment to tonify spleen qi or relieve liver qi stagnation?? What is the difference between excess blood stagnation and deficiency blood stagnation? Jackie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2005 Report Share Posted April 21, 2005 After only a year of so after beginning practice (1986), I noticed that Blood moving formulas and herbs often yielded dramatic and quick results in many cases. And in some cases, quick adverse results in the case of heavy metal toxicity, unless something is done to handle the latter. I keep an inventory chart which reveals how many pounds of each herb I use per year. The totals for the Blood-invigorating category are about 25-30% of my total consumption of herbs. Perhaps it might be higher in my area because I see a lot of chronic Yin Deficiencies, which often leads to some degree of Blood Stasis. I use a bright 300-watt halogen lamp to inspect tongues, as well as indirect natural light. Dusky colorations of the tongue and subtle choppiness in the pulse are easy to miss, and I believe if more practioners would use better lighting, more cases of mild to moderate Blood Stasis would be revealed. Fluorescent lights are terrible for tongue inspection, as the colors become deranged. Roger >Blood stasis can be affected much more dramatically by chinese herbs >than prenatal essence can. This has been borne out by much research >which shows blood moving therapies to be among the most useful in >modern CM for a wide range of chronic illnesses. I think that is the >reason the theory of blood stasis is somewhat supplanting the the >concept of essence vacuity in modern china. A theory is not useful if >it does not yield therapy. All chinese know the ancient prohibitions >against sex. They do as they please anyway. But we should not be so >hasty as to dispense with the more ancient idea. > > ---Roger Wicke, PhD, TCM Clinical Herbalist contact: www.rmhiherbal.org/contact/ Rocky Mountain Herbal Institute, Hot Springs, Montana USA Clinical herbology training programs - www.rmhiherbal.org Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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