Guest guest Posted March 13, 2003 Report Share Posted March 13, 2003 Hi All, I am reading Kaptchuck's latest edition of 'The Web that has no Weaver' ISBN 0-8092-2840-8 In Chapter 6 'The Four Examinations: Signs and Symptoms' most of his pulse diagrams are the wrong way round ! This is *except for the ones on p 202-3* - on that page Figure 25 'Knotted Pulse / Hurried Pulse / Intermittent Pulse' the labels are the right way round: skin diagramatically associated with superficial level and bone diagramatically associated with deep level. This is correct I feel. However on ALL his other diagrams associate 'superficial at the level of bone', and 'deep at the level of skin'. This cannot be right ! Even for a complete beginner such as myself the labelling of the diagrams look wrong. I wonder if there is anything else to watch out for in this book ? I did enjoy Chapter 2 'The Fundamental Textures: Qi, Blood, Essence' Spirit and Fluids'. The book is a good introduction, well annotated and although it is not very practical, has a decent index. Sammy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2003 Report Share Posted March 13, 2003 Chinese Traditional Medicine , <ga.bates@v...> wrote: I wonder if there is anything else to watch out for in this book ? I did enjoy Chapter 2 'The Fundamental Textures: Qi, Blood, Essence' Spirit and Fluids'. The book is a good introduction, well annotated and although it is not very practical, has a decent index. Sam: From what I remember of the earlier edition, you are correct. Some of the diagrams were backwards in the direction of flow---but I haven't seen the new edition. And most of the Chinese classics are poorly written and edited, too; so get used to these kinds of problems. The rest of the information in Katchuk is the standard, basic TCM pulse diagnosis. Only several of my students have noticed what you did. Perhaps this is a sign that you should study pulse diagnosis and will be good at it. Jim Ramholz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2003 Report Share Posted March 13, 2003 I'm new also, but will like to get a book that has the correct info. Any suggestions? Thank you. T ga.bates wrote: Hi All, I am reading Kaptchuck's latest edition of 'The Web that has no Weaver' ISBN 0-8092-2840-8 In Chapter 6 'The Four Examinations: Signs and Symptoms' most of his pulse diagrams are the wrong way round ! This is *except for the ones on p 202-3* - on that page Figure 25 'Knotted Pulse / Hurried Pulse / Intermittent Pulse' the labels are the right way round: skin diagramatically associated with superficial level and bone diagramatically associated with deep level. This is correct I feel. However on ALL his other diagrams associate 'superficial at the level of bone', and 'deep at the level of skin'. This cannot be right ! Even for a complete beginner such as myself the labelling of the diagrams look wrong. I wonder if there is anything else to watch out for in this book ? I did enjoy Chapter 2 'The Fundamental Textures: Qi, Blood, Essence' Spirit and Fluids'. The book is a good introduction, well annotated and although it is not very practical, has a decent index. Sammy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2003 Report Share Posted March 13, 2003 Thanks. I will get the 'Tippex' and make appropriate changes to the text ;-) As a newcomer to TCM I have to say how amazing this pulse diagnosis is. Connecting it to my own 'disharmony pattern' it is right on target! I guess TCM students must practice pulse diagnosis on each other ? I'll bet the semester that happens you get quite a few going round looking quite ill ! I am still amazed at how this system emerged from ancient times. It is truly a precious gift to humanity - if only Big Pharma does not yet find a way to kill it off. Sammy. James Ramholz [jramholz] 13 March 2003 21:18 Chinese Traditional Medicine [Chinese Traditional Medicine] Re: Question about pulse diagnosis Chinese Traditional Medicine , <ga.bates@v...> wrote: I wonder if there is anything else to watch out for in this book ? I did enjoy Chapter 2 'The Fundamental Textures: Qi, Blood, Essence' Spirit and Fluids'. The book is a good introduction, well annotated and although it is not very practical, has a decent index. Sam: From what I remember of the earlier edition, you are correct. Some of the diagrams were backwards in the direction of flow---but I haven't seen the new edition. And most of the Chinese classics are poorly written and edited, too; so get used to these kinds of problems. The rest of the information in Katchuk is the standard, basic TCM pulse diagnosis. Only several of my students have noticed what you did. Perhaps this is a sign that you should study pulse diagnosis and will be good at it. Jim Ramholz Post message: Chinese Traditional Medicine Subscribe: Chinese Traditional Medicine- Un: Chinese Traditional Medicine- List owner: Chinese Traditional Medicine-owner Shortcut URL to this page: /community/Chinese Traditional Medicine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2003 Report Share Posted March 13, 2003 My Father who is 70 has followed some diet to get rid of toxins ( I do not know which kind of Diet - he lives in France and I am in the US) he is now very tired and has lost some weight and arm muscles. Any suggestion of diet to recover and build up strength ? - Carbs, white meats ? Thanks Frederic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2003 Report Share Posted March 14, 2003 Chinese Traditional Medicine , mitchell shelford <mytchell37> wrote: > > I'm new also, but will like to get a book that has the correct info. Any suggestions? >>> The information in Katchuk is correct; you just need to turn the pictures around. But you should also read Tietao Deng's book on general diganosis which has a substantial pulse section, and Lu Yubin's book on pulse diagnosis. After finishing those 3 books and when more advanced, you can study the Li Shi Zhen commentary published by Paradigm, and the first half of Unschuld's translation of the Nan Jing. After that, you should be ready for Leon Hammer's pulse diagnosis book, published by Eastland. And finally, my essays on Dong Han pulse diagnosis system which can be downloaded from my forum AdvancedPulseDiagnosis/ . So here are seven sources. It will fill your summer reading with fun and information. Jim Ramholz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2003 Report Share Posted March 14, 2003 Thanks. I'll print this page out. Now all I need are some pulses to diagnose ! Sammy. James Ramholz [jramholz] 14 March 2003 01:39 Chinese Traditional Medicine [Chinese Traditional Medicine] Re: Question about pulse diagnosis Chinese Traditional Medicine , mitchell shelford <mytchell37> wrote: > > I'm new also, but will like to get a book that has the correct info. Any suggestions? >>> The information in Katchuk is correct; you just need to turn the pictures around. But you should also read Tietao Deng's book on general diganosis which has a substantial pulse section, and Lu Yubin's book on pulse diagnosis. After finishing those 3 books and when more advanced, you can study the Li Shi Zhen commentary published by Paradigm, and the first half of Unschuld's translation of the Nan Jing. After that, you should be ready for Leon Hammer's pulse diagnosis book, published by Eastland. And finally, my essays on Dong Han pulse diagnosis system which can be downloaded from my forum AdvancedPulseDiagnosis/ . So here are seven sources. It will fill your summer reading with fun and information. Jim Ramholz Post message: Chinese Traditional Medicine Subscribe: Chinese Traditional Medicine- Un: Chinese Traditional Medicine- List owner: Chinese Traditional Medicine-owner Shortcut URL to this page: /community/Chinese Traditional Medicine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2003 Report Share Posted March 15, 2003 " James Ramholz " <jramholz wrote: > From what I remember of the earlier edition, you are > correct. Some > of the diagrams were backwards in the direction of > flow---but I > haven't seen the new edition. And most of the > Chinese classics are > poorly written and edited, too; so get used to these > kinds of > problems. The rest of the information in Katchuk is > the standard, basic TCM pulse diagnosis. I have the 1983 edition and they all show skin superficial, bone deep except Figure 19, floating pulse/sinking pulse where's it's reversed. Typos happen in publishing, just as they do in our personal writing. sue Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2003 Report Share Posted March 16, 2003 > I > am still amazed at how this system emerged from ancient times. It is truly a > precious gift to humanity Western doctors used to be able to tell a lot more from the pulse than they can today. This was in the days before Western doctors became so dependent on machinary and taught to mistrust their observations. In the old days they paid a lot more attention to the quality of the pulse. There are still a few old-timers around who can tell a lot from the pulse, but they are up in age. Victoria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2003 Report Share Posted March 16, 2003 Yes. And tongue as well. I remember when I was a youngster the docs would look at my tongue, but with my kids the doc covers the tonge with a wooden spatula and just looks down the throat (looking at tonsils and inflamed mucous membrane presumably). I have heard say that pre 1915 medical texts paid a lot of attention to tongue diagnosis even in western medicine. Don't know how true it is .. However many things seem to 'circulate' over a period of a couple of generations. We are getting a resurgence of blood letting right now. Sammy. victoria_dragon [victoria_dragon] 16 March 2003 04:05 Chinese Traditional Medicine [Chinese Traditional Medicine] Re: Question about pulse diagnosis > I > am still amazed at how this system emerged from ancient times. It is truly a > precious gift to humanity Western doctors used to be able to tell a lot more from the pulse than they can today. This was in the days before Western doctors became so dependent on machinary and taught to mistrust their observations. In the old days they paid a lot more attention to the quality of the pulse. There are still a few old-timers around who can tell a lot from the pulse, but they are up in age. Victoria Post message: Chinese Traditional Medicine Subscribe: Chinese Traditional Medicine- Un: Chinese Traditional Medicine- List owner: Chinese Traditional Medicine-owner Shortcut URL to this page: /community/Chinese Traditional Medicine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2003 Report Share Posted March 19, 2003 I showed my father a brochure of the Chinese Medical Center in Amsterdam. When he read about diagnosing with pulse-feeling and looking at the tongue, he told me in amazement that doctors in Holland used to do this when he was younger. Pamela. - ga.bates Chinese Traditional Medicine Monday, March 17, 2003 12:36 AM RE: [Chinese Traditional Medicine] Re: Question about pulse diagnosis Yes. And tongue as well. I remember when I was a youngster the docs would look at my tongue, but with my kids the doc covers the tonge with a wooden spatula and just looks down the throat (looking at tonsils and inflamed mucous membrane presumably). I have heard say that pre 1915 medical texts paid a lot of attention to tongue diagnosis even in western medicine. Don't know how true it is .. However many things seem to 'circulate' over a period of a couple of generations. We are getting a resurgence of blood letting right now. Sammy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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