RE: Hypoglycaemia and type 2 diabetes

March 12, 2003

Chinesemedicineman said:

>Do you mean hyperglycemia is a precursor to Type II diabetes?

>Hyperglycemia = to much sugar in blood

>hypoglycemia= too little sugar in blood

>insulin is a hypoglycemic agent so it removes sugar from blood

> " Type II diabetes is usually characterized clinically by hypergycemia

>and insulin resistance "

>The Merck manual, p165

NO, I did mean that HYPOglycaemia is a precursor to type 2 diabetes,. By the

time you have HYPERglycemia, you already have diabetes as it says in the

Merck manual.

There is a growing body of evidence to suggest that the pancreas gets

exhausted by producing too much insulin, the insulin causes the deposit of

fat which is also a precursor to type 2 diabetes, the exhausted pancreas

reduces the amount of insulin it can produce which then leads to

HYPERglycemia. By eating low glycemic index foods, then the glucose is

delivered to the blood over a longer time period, which enables the pancreas

to produce insulin in a more gentle and gradual manner - in fact this is how

anti-diabetic drugs work, by slowing digestion.

regards

Susie

March 12, 2003

Chinese Traditional Medicine , " Susie " <yinyang@b...> wrote:

> NO, I did mean that HYPOglycaemia is a precursor to type 2

diabetes. By the time you have HYPERglycemia, you already have

diabetes as it says in the Merck manual.>>>

The patient can often have a history of hypoglycemia before

developing diabetes. It is part of the pancreas' history of not

being able to deal with the sugar levels in a timely way.

In the pulses, hypoglycemia shows as lack of spleen yang and

especially a wiry movement coming from the SJ in the first half of

the Right Middle (earth) position at or near the organ (zang) depth.

When blood sugar rises again while eating you will find a flooding

or bounding quality. As a condition, diabetes can be found in the

latter half (Back) of the same pulse position and depth as a choppy

quality---meaning that earth yin is insufficient because the

physical organ no longer has the ability to produce insulin.

Jim Ramholz

March 12, 2003

Jim,

how would you feel hypergycemia in the pulse, and

where do you locate the pancreas in the pulse?

Are their other pulse indications that point to the

development of diabetes?

Michael

> The patient can often have a history of hypoglycemia before

> developing diabetes. It is part of the pancreas' history of not

> being able to deal with the sugar levels in a timely way.

>

> In the pulses, hypoglycemia shows as lack of spleen yang and

> especially a wiry movement coming from the SJ in the first half of

> the Right Middle (earth) position at or near the organ (zang) depth.

> When blood sugar rises again while eating you will find a flooding

> or bounding quality. As a condition, diabetes can be found in the

> latter half (Back) of the same pulse position and depth as a choppy

> quality---meaning that earth yin is insufficient because the

> physical organ no longer has the ability to produce insulin.

>

> Jim Ramholz

March 13, 2003

Chinese Traditional Medicine , " chinesemedicineman " wrote:

> how would you feel hypergycemia in the pulse, and

> where do you locate the pancreas in the pulse?

>

> Are their other pulse indications that point to the

> development of diabetes?

Michael:

You would find the wiriness from the SJ to Right middle about 2/3 of

the way down to the bone. In the Nan Jing, each pulse position can

be divided into three depths---qi, blood, and organ. In all the

pulse positions, the boundary line between the middle and bottom

third is related to the endocrine system; so you can examine the

endocrine gland related to the organ of that position. You can

freely download several articles on diabetes in the files section of

the Advanced Pulse Diagnosis Forum.

AdvancedPulseDiagnosis/

Any condition that weakens the spleen/pancreas can help lead to

hypoglycemia or diabetes.

Jim Ramholz

March 14, 2003

Where do you locate the pancreas in the pulse? That is a good question. I have

studied many books on Accutreatment and the pancreas seems to be left out of the

pulse diagnosis area. When I check pulses it is usually at least twice for a

first visit with the patient. Pulses can be misleading just as a disease will

hide or jump from meridian to meridian so do the pulses show that sometimes. I

took a pulse of a 'man' and got confused readings. It turned out that the man

was a hermaphrodite person with reproducyive capabilities that were in an

advances state of menopause. Pulses will give hints to each other and sometimes

you will get a reading from a different organ for a moment. These moments are

what we should strive to be able to decipher as diagnosis. If you get confusing

pulse readings and feel other pulses are in the way then there may be an

overload of some sort and stimulation of the effected areas may be a way to

promote a realighnment for a further pulse reading later on in your examination.

I was taught that the more pulse readings and test point areas on the fingertips

and toes that are read the better off we will be. If I was to try to understand

pancreas activity I would look for clues at the Spleen and Kidney areas.

James Ramholz <jramholz wrote:Chinese Traditional Medicine ,

" chinesemedicineman " wrote:

> how would you feel hypergycemia in the pulse, and

> where do you locate the pancreas in the pulse?

>

> Are their other pulse indications that point to the

> development of diabetes?

Michael:

You would find the wiriness from the SJ to Right middle about 2/3 of

the way down to the bone. In the Nan Jing, each pulse position can

be divided into three depths---qi, blood, and organ. In all the

pulse positions, the boundary line between the middle and bottom

third is related to the endocrine system; so you can examine the

endocrine gland related to the organ of that position. You can

freely download several articles on diabetes in the files section of

the Advanced Pulse Diagnosis Forum.

AdvancedPulseDiagnosis/

Any condition that weakens the spleen/pancreas can help lead to

hypoglycemia or diabetes.

Jim Ramholz

March 14, 2003

Chinese Traditional Medicine , Hoang Ho wrote:

Pulses can be misleading just as a disease will hide or jump from

meridian to meridian so do the pulses show that sometimes. I took a

pulse of a 'man' and got confused readings. It turned out that the

man was a hermaphrodite person with reproducyive capabilities that

were in an advances state of menopause. >>>

I would disagree---pulse are not misleading when studied in detail.

You should be able to follow a disease that is hiding or jumping. It

sounds like you are using a very simple system, like TCM, rather

than something more sophisticated. When you read the Nan Jing and

Mai Jing (Pulse Classic) you can see how detailed pulse diagnosis

can be. If you read Leon Hammer's book or my articles, you will

discover that they are very advanced from basic TCM. And they are

two systems that take pulse diagnosis in different directions. The

complicated readings you took should be interpreted by a system with

more details than TCM.

<<< If you get confusing pulse readings and feel other pulses are in

the way then there may be an overload of some sort and stimulation

of the effected areas may be a way to promote a realighnment for a

further pulse reading later on in your examination.>>>

This is possible but you should also be able to interpret them all.

Jim Ramholz

March 14, 2003

Hmm .. with respect the question was " where do you locate the pancreas in

the pulse ? " Sammy.

James Ramholz [jramholz]

14 March 2003 19:39

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