Guest guest Posted March 10, 2003 Report Share Posted March 10, 2003 Jackie, Since acupuncture points works on animals as well as humans I was wondering is it at all possible to obtain a 'pulse' from the horse? Sammy. Brian Carter [bbcarter] 09 March 2003 19:34 Chinese Traditional Medicine [Chinese Traditional Medicine] Acid Horse and Bupleurum Jackie wrote: > Yes the last formula addressed Spleen Qi and food stagnation well, but > without liver support - but what is T & T?? Just FYI at this point: T & T is Transportation and Transformation- The Stomach 'rots and ripens'/decomposes 'grain and water'/food. The Spleen then extracts the essence of food and dispatches it to the other organs... this equals digestion, assimilation and distribution of nutrients (this is from Wiseman/Ellis' Fundamentals of .) > So we tested and I'm pretty sure I've confirmed that - there was a marked > improvement on the addition of a LOT of antacids. Ya, it is hard to interpret the behavior of a horse- unless maybe you're a " horse whisperer " ? ;-) Another solution to excess acidity after eating is Transformation Enzymes' Gastro product. Not sure what the cost of dosing a horse would be though. How much more do they weigh than humans? As for chaihu and prostaglandins- The NSAIDS (ibuprofen, etc.) interrupt the COX-2 pathway. That is not the only way to reduce inflammation. E.g. steroids like prednisone work through another pathway. Traditional sources say it may cause nausea and vomiting, CI in yin xu cough or Liv fire ascending to head. > I'm a little worried about using bupleurum because I have read it inhibits > protaglandin production, which inhibiiton causes gastric ulcers (that's why > NSAID's cause them). I don't know if anyone knows if that is so?? The following MEDLINE references are about a different form of bupleurum but may shed some light- searched on " bupleurum prostaglandin " , " bupleurum cox " , " bupleurum stomach " this one talks about anti-inflammatory actions, it does not talk about the pathway it uses- does not mention COX-2 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=PubMed & list_ui ds=9763210 & dopt=Abstract These four talk about Bupl. healing gastric ulcers... the opposite effect you mentioned. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=PubMed & list_ui ds=1682444 & dopt=Abstract http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=PubMed & list_ui ds=11807976 & dopt=Abstract http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=PubMed & list_ui ds=8103101 & dopt=Abstract http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=PubMed & list_ui ds=5389580 & dopt=Abstract There were also 4 references on Bupl. scorzonerifolium, the specific kind that is chai hu... only phytochemical info, nothing about its effects on humans. So I wonder where you heard that about chai hu, and what that person's references were? B Brian Benjamin Carter Editor, The Pulse of Oriental Medicine Columnist, Acupuncture Today The PULSE of Oriental Medicine: Alternative Medicine You Can Understand http://www.pulsemed.org/ The General Public's Guide to Chinese Medicine since 1999... 8 Experts, 100+ Articles, 115,000+ readers.... Our free e-zine BEING WELL keeps you up to date with the latest greatest PULSE articles. Sign up NOW. Send a blank email to: beingwellnewsletter- Post message: Chinese Traditional Medicine Subscribe: Chinese Traditional Medicine- Un: Chinese Traditional Medicine- List owner: Chinese Traditional Medicine-owner Shortcut URL to this page: /community/Chinese Traditional Medicine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2003 Report Share Posted March 10, 2003 In a message dated 10/03/2003 08:46:01 GMT Standard Time, ga.bates writes: > Since acupuncture points works on animals as well as humans I was wondering > is it at all possible to obtain a 'pulse' from the horse? > Yes, in a few places. Michael said is pulse was 'good' when he came, no discernable problem I assume - and he seems to be excellent on pulse diagnosis in humans, had me totally worked out from my pulse and tongue. I wonder if there is an acupressure point I could use for his ulcer? Symtoms are much allayed after the antacids and especially my patent 'Oily Mucilage and Pectin Gastric-Coating Goo' made from linseed jelly and beet pulp! Thankfully he has not lost his appetite - which is a usual symptom of gastric ulcers in horses. Jackie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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