Guest guest Posted March 5, 2003 Report Share Posted March 5, 2003 .. Liv qi yu-> Liver fire -> Liver wind I think there would already have to be substantial Liv qi yu and/or fire to create the wind. There could be co-morbid empty Liv heat which might mean there wouldn't have to be as much liver fire to create the wind. That would also predispose to Liv yang rising-> wind... I think it has to be something like that - that makes sense at some kind of subliminal level!. What I cannot understand is how the liver qi stagnation symptoms can be so much better with the development of liver wind symptoms! I've been trying to work it out in western terms too, and there has to be SERIOUS liver disease to get to that point - which no-one believes he has, he just looks too well, but which makes me really scared to try the new TCM prescription. The only thing left to try is to remove the ayurvedic liver tonic in case something toxic got in there - even so it should not be able to by-pass the liver and cause central nervous system symptoms, so we are all stumped. Vet's coming friday and we are going to do a full liver workup anyway, though there's never been the slightest abnormality before. Thanks jackie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2003 Report Share Posted March 6, 2003 Hi I have a software Qpuncture II. And it covers more about 60 diseases acupuncture treatment plan. It shows recommended acupoints and herbal formula according to patterns and disaeses. Also it shows herbs, tongue diagnosis, auriculotherapy, acupoints with 3-D view. It has numerou fantastic graphics. If you want to take a look at it, you call the company and ask them free demo CD. 714-758-0700. website is www.Qpuncture.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2003 Report Share Posted March 6, 2003 No, no pond. It's happening morning noon and night now, and I'm getting really worried. The only times he does not doing it is after several hours without food (ie first thing in the morning) when he acts normal, eats some hay, goes on exercise normally....he is then having spasms after his breakfast, but is normal again after the rest of the day eating grass. I've cut out everything I can think of in his feeds which might be causing a problem...but the yesterday he had to come in early for the farrier and he was doing it again three hours later - no feed to cause it then, just some hay, a new batch to be sure it was not that. But the stupid thing is when he is not doing it he seems better in himself - not irritable, happy to be touched etc, better than for years in that regard. Jackie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2003 Report Share Posted March 6, 2003 Is there a pond nearby ? He may be drinking water contaminated with something. At the very least it could be something like green algae which will spike his sympathetic response and goive plenty of Liver symptoms. Sammy. jackiejataylor [jackiejataylor] 06 March 2003 00:15 Chinese Traditional Medicine [Chinese Traditional Medicine] Liver wind .. Liv qi yu-> Liver fire -> Liver wind I think there would already have to be substantial Liv qi yu and/or fire to create the wind. There could be co-morbid empty Liv heat which might mean there wouldn't have to be as much liver fire to create the wind. That would also predispose to Liv yang rising-> wind... I think it has to be something like that - that makes sense at some kind of subliminal level!. What I cannot understand is how the liver qi stagnation symptoms can be so much better with the development of liver wind symptoms! I've been trying to work it out in western terms too, and there has to be SERIOUS liver disease to get to that point - which no-one believes he has, he just looks too well, but which makes me really scared to try the new TCM prescription. The only thing left to try is to remove the ayurvedic liver tonic in case something toxic got in there - even so it should not be able to by-pass the liver and cause central nervous system symptoms, so we are all stumped. Vet's coming friday and we are going to do a full liver workup anyway, though there's never been the slightest abnormality before. Thanks jackie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2003 Report Share Posted March 7, 2003 In a message dated 07/03/2003 18:17:19 GMT Standard Time, twomtns2002 writes: > What has this horse been used for.?What is the potential use when healed?. He's never been well enough to 'do' anything much - just a little minimalist dressage and the pursuit of true unity. >If the horse has some kind of emotional injury it will take time to heal. The only real emotional injury was 12 years ago! Anyway the vet thinks the spasms are a sort of reflex reaction to the pain of a gastric or duodenal ulcer. So I am treating him with antacids to see if they help pending liver blood results. The first prescription of liver qi stag nation concentrated powders seemed to upset his stomach, so I wonder if the second lot precipitated a lesion. Bupleurum is apparently a prostaglandin inhibiter too, so might be contra-indicated I think. Jackie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2003 Report Share Posted March 7, 2003 What has this horse been used for.?What is the potential use when healed?. If the horse has some kind of emotional injury it will take time to heal. All kinds of symptoms would be apparent with no real solution. jackiejataylor wrote:. Liv qi yu-> Liver fire -> Liver wind I think there would already have to be substantial Liv qi yu and/or fire to create the wind. There could be co-morbid empty Liv heat which might mean there wouldn't have to be as much liver fire to create the wind. That would also predispose to Liv yang rising-> wind... I think it has to be something like that - that makes sense at some kind of subliminal level!. What I cannot understand is how the liver qi stagnation symptoms can be so much better with the development of liver wind symptoms! I've been trying to work it out in western terms too, and there has to be SERIOUS liver disease to get to that point - which no-one believes he has, he just looks too well, but which makes me really scared to try the new TCM prescription. The only thing left to try is to remove the ayurvedic liver tonic in case something toxic got in there - even so it should not be able to by-pass the liver and cause central nervous system symptoms, so we are all stumped. Vet's coming friday and we are going to do a full liver workup anyway, though there's never been the slightest abnormality before. Thanks jackie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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