Questions on Placebos

[Guest guest]

Hi how's it going?

 

--- " walmart_hurts <jcc "

<jcc wrote:

 

> TCM seems to make less of a distinction between

> psychological and

> physical treatments than Western medicine does.

 

It's the wholistic thing, isn't it?

 

> On the other hand, some placebos can have dangerous

> side effects, are

> costly to produce, etc.

 

What do you mean?

 

> Also, I would suspect that

> some patients

> would be quite disillusioned if they discovered that

> large portions

> of their treatments didn't really " do anything. "

 

That would be because they don't think that the mind

has an effect on the body, right?

 

Ok, bye,

Hugo

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

> Hi how's it going?

 

Going alright.

 

> > On the other hand, some placebos can have dangerous

> > side effects, are

> > costly to produce, etc.

>

> What do you mean?

 

Let's say you discover that ingesting ground up amber helps with

insomnia or something, and you later find out it's just a placebo.

Amber is expensive, so if it's just a placebo, you might as well use

something cheaper. If you find out that electroshock therapy helps

with toothaches, and it turns out to be a placebo, you might as well

use something else, as electroshock therapy can be kinda dangerous if

you don't do it right. Do you see what I'm trying to say?

 

> > Also, I would suspect that

> > some patients

> > would be quite disillusioned if they discovered that

> > large portions

> > of their treatments didn't really " do anything. "

>

> That would be because they don't think that the mind

> has an effect on the body, right?

 

That's what I thought, just wondering what others thought.

 

> Ok, bye,

> Hugo

 

Bye!

 

Mbanu

[Guest guest]

I was taught that TCM works on an energy, emotional, intellectual and

physical level.

 

Here's an interesting twist to that theory.

This time last year I tripped over a guard rail at my mundane job. (I

was the 3rd one who needed medical attention after doing this. The

safety captains had a field day.)

Out of all the ways I could have fallen I some how twisted around and

landed on both wrists right at Heart

Constrictor/Pericardium/Circulation Sex # 7.

 

I went into physical shock and the paramedics were called. Picture me

laying there with the cutest young men I've seen in a long time

running all sorts of tests on me to check out my heart electricity,

sugar levels et cetera and mostly all I could think of was " did/do I

really have Supplemental Fire going on? "

Why else would I fall vulnerable for the physical adventure I knew

could be in store for me?

Or, was the way I fell totally innocent expressing my previous energy

level?

 

Months later, even after the skin discoloration and later the pain

went away, I was still aware when my emotional and intellectual

responses to everyday stressors played out that a classic Supplemental

Fire adventure was going on. (Whether it was the chicken or the egg

that came first, I was in a full blown Supplemental Fire adventure

now.)

 

I found it very educational to play with dietary supplementation and

physical exercises to address these issues. I also saw a

acupuncturist. As my practice is shiatsu we were able to mostly work

together on my balance (versus the regular acupuncture client not

" doing " but rather " being done " ;-)

 

Had I absolutely no education in Asian medical theories I probably

wouldn't have been able to see relationships between my emotional,

intellectual and physical symptoms. Was it placebo effect that I had

them?

 

At the time however I found it quite entertaining to be able to

anticipate my responses to normal stressors and not get too attached

to them, to be able to accept them as responses to an illusion of

reality.

 

One of the most interesting factors in my convalescence was a major

shift in my diagnostic skills with my own clients that I concluded

based on their reactions to shiatsu sessions I gave them.

 

Penel

[Guest guest]

--- walmart_hurts <jcc wrote:

 

> something cheaper. If you find out that electroshock

> therapy helps

> with toothaches, and it turns out to be a placebo,

> you might as well

> use something else, as electroshock therapy can be

> kinda dangerous if

> you don't do it right. Do you see what I'm trying to

> say?

 

Ok, I get it now.

 

I also think this whole placebo thing is interesting,

but I also really think it's nothing more than the

basic TCM tenets " mind moves the energy " and then

" energy is the commander of blood " . All placebo

effects I've heard of are explainable by this.

I suppose I feel uncomfortable trying to " separate "

(if that's possible) what is 'placebo' from what is

'not placebo'. It really might be a fundamental error

in perception and logic to do that.

Anyway, I guess we're going to do it anyway, haha!

So, what are we gonna do but keep truckin', as one of

my patients says, eh?

 

Bye,

Hugo

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

--- walmart_hurts <jcc wrote:

 

> something cheaper. If you find out that electroshock

> therapy helps

> with toothaches, and it turns out to be a placebo,

> you might as well

> use something else, as electroshock therapy can be

> kinda dangerous if

> you don't do it right. Do you see what I'm trying to

> say?

 

Ok, I get it now.

 

I also think this whole placebo thing is interesting,

but I also really think it's nothing more than the

basic TCM tenets " mind moves the energy " and then

" energy is the commander of blood " . All placebo

effects I've heard of are explainable by this.

I suppose I feel uncomfortable trying to " separate "

(if that's possible) what is 'placebo' from what is

'not placebo'. It really might be a fundamental error

in perception and logic to do that.

Anyway, I guess we're going to do it anyway, haha!

So, what are we gonna do but keep truckin', as one of

my patients says, eh?

 

Bye,

Hugo

 

 

 

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Any Commentt about the electronic device that is used in accutreatment? It emits

a small spark that is used to pinpoint an area for treatment.

Hugo Ramiro <subincor wrote:--- walmart_hurts <jcc

wrote:

 

> something cheaper. If you find out that electroshock

> therapy helps

> with toothaches, and it turns out to be a placebo,

> you might as well

> use something else, as electroshock therapy can be

> kinda dangerous if

> you don't do it right. Do you see what I'm trying to

> say?

 

Ok, I get it now.

 

I also think this whole placebo thing is interesting,

but I also really think it's nothing more than the

basic TCM tenets " mind moves the energy " and then

" energy is the commander of blood " . All placebo

effects I've heard of are explainable by this.

I suppose I feel uncomfortable trying to " separate "

(if that's possible) what is 'placebo' from what is

'not placebo'. It really might be a fundamental error

in perception and logic to do that.

Anyway, I guess we're going to do it anyway, haha!

So, what are we gonna do but keep truckin', as one of

my patients says, eh?

 

Bye,

Hugo

 

 

 

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