Outer Back Shu Points for Emotions?

[Guest guest]

Brian Carter wrote:

>> So, the jury is out, but I no longer use them for

>> that purpose.

>

> Ok, and they did not show clinical effect either?

>

> Hugo

 

 

That one makes me smile- let's talk placebo-

because clinical effect may be deceiving.

 

Do you tell your patients that the points are supposed to

have that effect? Popular wisdom says placebo can

be 33% effective, but studies have shown that it's actually

a range from 20-90%... which means that if the

placebo effect is strongly in operation in your treatment

room (good rapport, patient confidence and trust, you

tell them what is supposed to happen and they believe

it), then what happens could have very little to do with

your treatment.

 

So I think we need to do a study to compare the

outer shu's with other psycho-emotional points.

 

In the absence of RCT's, I would consider whether the

points have that traditional function or not- because if

they do, then that means that there is a collective

clinical experience with them- over many years- versus

things that are modern inventions. The weight of

tradition is a bit more convincing to me... even though

RCT's would be much better!

 

It's true, we cannot eliminate the influence of placebo

in real practice- in fact, within the bounds of ethics, we

should use it... but it would also be nice to know that

RCT's have shown that our therapies in and of themselves

are also effective.

 

B

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Brian Carter wrote:

> That one makes me smile- let's talk placebo-

> because clinical effect may be deceiving.

 

Of course it is, just wondering if in your experience

they seemed to have an effect or not.

 

> Do you tell your patients that the points are

> supposed to

> have that effect?

 

No, but I don't use them either. I usually tell my

patients what I was doing after the treatment, and let

them know that they should have already felt the

effects I was going for.

 

> Popular wisdom says placebo can

> be 33% effective, but studies have shown that it's

> actually

> a range from 20-90%...

 

Probably even up to %100.

 

It's all in the mind, u know. =]

 

> things that are modern inventions. The weight of

> tradition is a bit more convincing to me... even

> though RCT's would be much better!

 

But RCT's leave so much information out! I think we

need the information that they do provide, but they

should be used carefully since they are a test

designed to measure something completely different.

Closed systems, right?

 

> It's true, we cannot eliminate the influence of

> placebo

> in real practice- in fact, within the bounds of

> ethics, we

> should use it... but it would also be nice to know

> that

> RCT's have shown that our therapies in and of

> themselves

> are also effective.

 

Do you think they are capable of that sort of

sophisticated measurement?

 

Thanks,

Hugo

 

 

 

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