Guest guest Posted February 23, 2003 Report Share Posted February 23, 2003 Of the possible liver syndromes - stagnation, yin deficiency, wind/fire, yang rising etc would any of them react badly to herbs meant for another liver syndrome? For instance, would herbs for liver qi stagnation worsen any or all other liver conditions? Jackie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2003 Report Share Posted February 24, 2003 > For instance, would herbs for liver qi stagnation worsen any or all > other liver conditions? Not really sure, but I would think so. Can qi move too quickly? Mbanu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2003 Report Share Posted February 27, 2003 In a message dated 27/02/2003 18:22:12 GMT Standard Time, victoria_dragon writes: > I don't know about worsening other Liver imblances, but often herbs > used in the West for liver cleansing (like milk thistle) and those > used in TCM for things like coursing the Liver can result in a > temporary worsening of some symptoms as the liver/ Liver gets cleaned > out. > Interesting, because he was on milk thistle for a year with no response. Hard to know what to do for the best really - I think I just have to build up slowly, to try to minimise any such reaction - and then just follow my intuition. Certainly his anger has never been suppressed - he never had an unexpressed emotion in his life this one!!<g> Jackie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2003 Report Share Posted February 27, 2003 > Of the possible liver syndromes - stagnation, yin deficiency, wind/fire, yang > rising etc would any of them react badly to herbs meant for another liver > syndrome? For instance, would herbs for liver qi stagnation worsen any or all > other liver conditions? I don't know about worsening other Liver imblances, but often herbs used in the West for liver cleansing (like milk thistle) and those used in TCM for things like coursing the Liver can result in a temporary worsening of some symptoms as the liver/ Liver gets cleaned out. One of the most common reactions is an increase in anger - particularly if the person has been suppressing anger. These also can be a temporary increase in nausea. Victoria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2003 Report Share Posted February 28, 2003 In a message dated 28/02/2003 13:37:53 GMT Standard Time, ga.bates writes: > Was he mistreated or deprived of something as a youngster ? > Yes - his liver symptoms began when he was deprived of another foal to play with, outside my control. Is he in an > environment where he can exercise freely - does he 'understand' the value of > daily exercise? Are there natural sounds like running water and birdsong in > his life ? Sammy. > Yes, he gets as much exercise as he can manage 5 or 6 days a week, and enjoys it now he is feeling better - a snowball effect. He is also turned out to graze for as long as possible every day, with his girlfriend - he loves female companionship He has always been unable to cope with stress and frustration, so I take great pains to minimise both. He has birdsong, but no running water! I think in western terms there is oxidative stress, and possibly fatty liver - anti-oxidents like Vit E, selenium, zinc and grapeseed really help him. Jackie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2003 Report Share Posted February 28, 2003 Was he mistreated or deprived of something as a youngster ? Is he in an environment where he can exercise freely - does he 'understand' the value of daily exercise? Are there natural sounds like running water and birdsong in his life ? Sammy. jackiejataylor [jackiejataylor] 27 February 2003 20:15 Chinese Traditional Medicine Re: [Chinese Traditional Medicine] Re: Liver treatments In a message dated 27/02/2003 18:22:12 GMT Standard Time, victoria_dragon writes: > I don't know about worsening other Liver imblances, but often herbs > used in the West for liver cleansing (like milk thistle) and those > used in TCM for things like coursing the Liver can result in a > temporary worsening of some symptoms as the liver/ Liver gets cleaned > out. > Interesting, because he was on milk thistle for a year with no response. Hard to know what to do for the best really - I think I just have to build up slowly, to try to minimise any such reaction - and then just follow my intuition. Certainly his anger has never been suppressed - he never had an unexpressed emotion in his life this one!!<g> Jackie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2003 Report Share Posted March 3, 2003 Ears jackiejataylor wrote:In a message dated 28/02/2003 13:37:53 GMT Standard Time, ga.bates writes: > Was he mistreated or deprived of something as a youngster ? > Yes - his liver symptoms began when he was deprived of another foal to play with, outside my control. Is he in an > environment where he can exercise freely - does he 'understand' the value of > daily exercise? Are there natural sounds like running water and birdsong in > his life ? Sammy. > Yes, he gets as much exercise as he can manage 5 or 6 days a week, and enjoys it now he is feeling better - a snowball effect. He is also turned out to graze for as long as possible every day, with his girlfriend - he loves female companionship He has always been unable to cope with stress and frustration, so I take great pains to minimise both. He has birdsong, but no running water! I think in western terms there is oxidative stress, and possibly fatty liver - anti-oxidents like Vit E, selenium, zinc and grapeseed really help him. Jackie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2003 Report Share Posted March 3, 2003 Hoang - I am sure there must be somthing more than " Ears " - can you resend your response to the thread below ? Sammy. Hoang Ho [twomtns2002] 03 March 2003 17:19 Chinese Traditional Medicine Re: [Chinese Traditional Medicine] Re: Liver treatments Ears jackiejataylor wrote:In a message dated 28/02/2003 13:37:53 GMT Standard Time, ga.bates writes: > Was he mistreated or deprived of something as a youngster ? > Yes - his liver symptoms began when he was deprived of another foal to play with, outside my control. Is he in an > environment where he can exercise freely - does he 'understand' the value of > daily exercise? Are there natural sounds like running water and birdsong in > his life ? Sammy. > Yes, he gets as much exercise as he can manage 5 or 6 days a week, and enjoys it now he is feeling better - a snowball effect. He is also turned out to graze for as long as possible every day, with his girlfriend - he loves female companionship He has always been unable to cope with stress and frustration, so I take great pains to minimise both. He has birdsong, but no running water! I think in western terms there is oxidative stress, and possibly fatty liver - anti-oxidents like Vit E, selenium, zinc and grapeseed really help him. Jackie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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