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In a message dated 2/14/03 2:24:37 PM Eastern Standard Time,

jackiejataylor writes:

 

> Could anyone tell me broadly how to differentiate between these two?

>

> Many Thanks

>

> Jackie

 

Jackie,

Liver Qi Depression (stagnation) and Liver Fire Flaming Upwards, the simple

answer is Liver Fire Flaming Upwards is Liver Qi Depression plus Heat.

 

If you are new to TCM then that might not help much, so lets look at it in

more detail.

 

Liver Qi Depression (stagnation)

Tongue: may be normal

Pulse: Stringlike (Wiry)

Signs and Symptoms:

Sensation of or actual distention of chest or region just below the front

ribs, pain in the same area, sighing, hiccups, nausea, vomiting, stomach

pain, poor appetite, pulsing or churning sensation in the stomach, abdominal

distention, borborygmus (audible stomach noises), diarrhea, Mental-emotional

S/S: sadness, depression, mood swings, irritability, unhappiness, Menstrual

S/S: irregular periods, painful periods, distension of the breast,

per-menstrual tension and irritility. Miscellaneous S/S: changing or

difficulty in swallowing, sensation of something in the throat (plumpit qi)

 

Liver Fire Flaming Upwards

Tongue: red body, redder sides, yellow dry coat.

Pulse: Stringlike (wiry), full, rapid

Signs/Stmptoms: irritability, sudden outburst of anger, deafness, temporal

headache, dizziness / vertigo, red face, and eyes, thirst, bitter taste in

the mouth, insomnia, dream-disturbed sleep, constipation, dry stools, dark

yellow urine, nosebleeds, vomiting or coughing up blood.

 

The ones underlined I like to think of them as bigger clues. As one of my

great teachers Dr. S Li said " there is to much to remember these are the

important ones, these are enough " .

 

Summary, Liver Qi Depression may lead to the formation of heat and damage the

Liver Yin then turning into Liver Fire Flaming Upwards.

 

I hope this helps your understanding.

 

 

 

Stan

 

 

 

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In a message dated 15/02/2003 03:02:46 GMT Standard Time, KarateStan

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> I hope this helps your understanding.

>

 

Thanks Stan - it seems mostly a matter of degree really. I've certainly seen

sighing, hiccuping, hypochondriac sensitivity, irritability, stomach pain and

eye irritation, slowed bowel movement. When it worsens there is an urgency to

the gastric discomfort and aggressive outbursts. I'm pretty sure there is

some heat, whether or not it is actually fire I don't know - I think perhaps

not.

 

Could one differentiate between liver heat from stagnation and from eg liver

yin deficiency??

 

Thanks

 

Jackie

 

 

 

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In a message dated 2/15/03 8:53:01 AM Eastern Standard Time,

jackiejataylor writes:

 

> Could one differentiate between liver heat from stagnation and from eg liver

>

> yin deficiency??

>

>

 

Liver Yin Deficiency, will have Yin Deficiency signs plus signs that belong

to the liver, Burning pain in the hypochondriac region, dry eyes.

 

Liver Heat: mental irritability, thirst, bitter taste, like Liver Fire but

not as severe.

 

 

Stan

 

 

 

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