Guest guest Posted February 14, 2003 Report Share Posted February 14, 2003 Could anyone tell me broadly how to differentiate between these two? Many Thanks Jackie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2003 Report Share Posted February 14, 2003 In a message dated 2/14/03 2:24:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, jackiejataylor writes: > Could anyone tell me broadly how to differentiate between these two? > > Many Thanks > > Jackie Jackie, Liver Qi Depression (stagnation) and Liver Fire Flaming Upwards, the simple answer is Liver Fire Flaming Upwards is Liver Qi Depression plus Heat. If you are new to TCM then that might not help much, so lets look at it in more detail. Liver Qi Depression (stagnation) Tongue: may be normal Pulse: Stringlike (Wiry) Signs and Symptoms: Sensation of or actual distention of chest or region just below the front ribs, pain in the same area, sighing, hiccups, nausea, vomiting, stomach pain, poor appetite, pulsing or churning sensation in the stomach, abdominal distention, borborygmus (audible stomach noises), diarrhea, Mental-emotional S/S: sadness, depression, mood swings, irritability, unhappiness, Menstrual S/S: irregular periods, painful periods, distension of the breast, per-menstrual tension and irritility. Miscellaneous S/S: changing or difficulty in swallowing, sensation of something in the throat (plumpit qi) Liver Fire Flaming Upwards Tongue: red body, redder sides, yellow dry coat. Pulse: Stringlike (wiry), full, rapid Signs/Stmptoms: irritability, sudden outburst of anger, deafness, temporal headache, dizziness / vertigo, red face, and eyes, thirst, bitter taste in the mouth, insomnia, dream-disturbed sleep, constipation, dry stools, dark yellow urine, nosebleeds, vomiting or coughing up blood. The ones underlined I like to think of them as bigger clues. As one of my great teachers Dr. S Li said " there is to much to remember these are the important ones, these are enough " . Summary, Liver Qi Depression may lead to the formation of heat and damage the Liver Yin then turning into Liver Fire Flaming Upwards. I hope this helps your understanding. Stan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2003 Report Share Posted February 15, 2003 In a message dated 15/02/2003 03:02:46 GMT Standard Time, KarateStan writes: > I hope this helps your understanding. > Thanks Stan - it seems mostly a matter of degree really. I've certainly seen sighing, hiccuping, hypochondriac sensitivity, irritability, stomach pain and eye irritation, slowed bowel movement. When it worsens there is an urgency to the gastric discomfort and aggressive outbursts. I'm pretty sure there is some heat, whether or not it is actually fire I don't know - I think perhaps not. Could one differentiate between liver heat from stagnation and from eg liver yin deficiency?? Thanks Jackie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2003 Report Share Posted February 15, 2003 In a message dated 2/15/03 8:53:01 AM Eastern Standard Time, jackiejataylor writes: > Could one differentiate between liver heat from stagnation and from eg liver > > yin deficiency?? > > Liver Yin Deficiency, will have Yin Deficiency signs plus signs that belong to the liver, Burning pain in the hypochondriac region, dry eyes. Liver Heat: mental irritability, thirst, bitter taste, like Liver Fire but not as severe. Stan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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