Guest guest Posted January 30, 2003 Report Share Posted January 30, 2003 There are forbidden points as we all know. Some are forbidden to bleed, others forbidden to sedate. In the case of child molestation some forbidden points seem to be used without real knowledge of the effect by the molester. In the case of child molestation and other abuse, there would seem to be a need to readjust the area that has been affected by touching the forbidden point. Treatment may involve triggering a psycosematic or involuntary response linked to the recessed stress that may cause a disease of another type.(usually liver problems) This hidden or delayed stress is dangerous and may involve a retouch near the forbidden area to trigger the response. Also treating heart envelope 1-moxa, conception 1-stimulate, and the coressponding ear points to the affected area might help. This should be done by an experience senior healer, and other tools like a feather or cuddly stuffed toy can be used in the case of smaller children in place of needles. This may actually be more of a hand technique. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2003 Report Share Posted January 30, 2003 Sounds like dangerous territory ! You would need full consent by all adults and guardians and social workers involved. I don't know how you would do this without being dragged into the 'abuser scenario' yourself. Before you embark on any procedure such as the one(s) you propose you also need to get your written and spoken language standard to an acceptable level so that people can be sure you know exactly what you mean, and that you are capable of transmitting your knowledge and expertise without ambiguity. For example, you mention " recessed stress " - this is an unfamiliar term, surely you mean " repressed stress " or " repressed emotions " generally. The word " repressesd " is accepted in this context. The word " recessed " does not convey the true meaning of the emotions involved because something that is recessed is still visible (as in a 'recess') whereas something that is repressed is not visible. Do you see what I am getting at ? Another thing you should do is run your written material through a spell checker before you pass it on to the susceptible of emotionally dependable. A spelling mistake can generate lack of confidence in your audience and is something a professional worker in the field you are talking about just cannot afford to do ! Sammy. twomtns2002 <twomtns2002 [twomtns2002] 30 January 2003 16:44 Chinese Traditional Medicine [Chinese Traditional Medicine] Forbidden points/child molesting There are forbidden points as we all know. Some are forbidden to bleed, others forbidden to sedate. In the case of child molestation some forbidden points seem to be used without real knowledge of the effect by the molester. In the case of child molestation and other abuse, there would seem to be a need to readjust the area that has been affected by touching the forbidden point. Treatment may involve triggering a psycosematic or involuntary response linked to the recessed stress that may cause a disease of another type.(usually liver problems) This hidden or delayed stress is dangerous and may involve a retouch near the forbidden area to trigger the response. Also treating heart envelope 1-moxa, conception 1-stimulate, and the coressponding ear points to the affected area might help. This should be done by an experience senior healer, and other tools like a feather or cuddly stuffed toy can be used in the case of smaller children in place of needles. This may actually be more of a hand technique. Post message: Chinese Traditional Medicine Subscribe: Chinese Traditional Medicine- Un: Chinese Traditional Medicine- List owner: Chinese Traditional Medicine-owner Shortcut URL to this page: /community/Chinese Traditional Medicine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2003 Report Share Posted January 31, 2003 This is a sounding board, I am open to criticism and comment. We all learn from our mistakes. When I said recessed I meant the meaning in Webster's #2 'a hidden secret or place'. I believe that in the case of molestation, this mental place is what does the damage. Semantics can be confusing, but I hope you get the idea. Hoang Ho ga.bates wrote:Sounds like dangerous territory ! You would need full consent by all adults and guardians and social workers involved. I don't know how you would do this without being dragged into the 'abuser scenario' yourself. Before you embark on any procedure such as the one(s) you propose you also need to get your written and spoken language standard to an acceptable level so that people can be sure you know exactly what you mean, and that you are capable of transmitting your knowledge and expertise without ambiguity. For example, you mention " recessed stress " - this is an unfamiliar term, surely you mean " repressed stress " or " repressed emotions " generally. The word " repressesd " is accepted in this context. The word " recessed " does not convey the true meaning of the emotions involved because something that is recessed is still visible (as in a 'recess') whereas something that is repressed is not visible. Do you see what I am getting at ? Another thing you should do is run your written material through a spell checker before you pass it on to the susceptible of emotionally dependable. A spelling mistake can generate lack of confidence in your audience and is something a professional worker in the field you are talking about just cannot afford to do ! Sammy. twomtns2002 <twomtns2002 [twomtns2002] 30 January 2003 16:44 Chinese Traditional Medicine [Chinese Traditional Medicine] Forbidden points/child molesting There are forbidden points as we all know. Some are forbidden to bleed, others forbidden to sedate. In the case of child molestation some forbidden points seem to be used without real knowledge of the effect by the molester. In the case of child molestation and other abuse, there would seem to be a need to readjust the area that has been affected by touching the forbidden point. Treatment may involve triggering a psycosematic or involuntary response linked to the recessed stress that may cause a disease of another type.(usually liver problems) This hidden or delayed stress is dangerous and may involve a retouch near the forbidden area to trigger the response. Also treating heart envelope 1-moxa, conception 1-stimulate, and the coressponding ear points to the affected area might help. This should be done by an experience senior healer, and other tools like a feather or cuddly stuffed toy can be used in the case of smaller children in place of needles. This may actually be more of a hand technique. Post message: Chinese Traditional Medicine Subscribe: Chinese Traditional Medicine- Un: Chinese Traditional Medicine- List owner: Chinese Traditional Medicine-owner Shortcut URL to this page: /community/Chinese Traditional Medicine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2003 Report Share Posted January 31, 2003 Yes Hoang Ho, I also have that meaning in the Oxford Advanced Learner's Dictionary of English. However I still hold that to 'recess' something even in a 'secret place' does not make it so *inaccessible* as something that has been *repressed* due to trauma. There is a psychosomatic dynamic in the process of repression that is quite profound, unconscious and unapproachable by normal means. A 'recessed' object in a 'secret place' on the other hand is approachable by normal conscious means, fair or foul - for example flattery or threat. The touching technique you propose goes beyond this I believe. It is extremely powerful and will release repressed energy and emotion. Please correct me if I am mistaken. I have seen such techniques used in Reichian therapy and they can be quite explosive. I 'works' BUT you need a very competant tharapist to manage this type of treatment, less the patient harm himself or others should the therapist lose their grip on the situation. Sincerely, Sammy. Hoang Ho [twomtns2002] 31 January 2003 21:09 Chinese Traditional Medicine RE: [Chinese Traditional Medicine] Forbidden points/child molesting This is a sounding board, I am open to criticism and comment. We all learn from our mistakes. When I said recessed I meant the meaning in Webster's #2 'a hidden secret or place'. I believe that in the case of molestation, this mental place is what does the damage. Semantics can be confusing, but I hope you get the idea. Hoang Ho ga.bates wrote:Sounds like dangerous territory ! You would need full consent by all adults and guardians and social workers involved. I don't know how you would do this without being dragged into the 'abuser scenario' yourself. Before you embark on any procedure such as the one(s) you propose you also need to get your written and spoken language standard to an acceptable level so that people can be sure you know exactly what you mean, and that you are capable of transmitting your knowledge and expertise without ambiguity. For example, you mention " recessed stress " - this is an unfamiliar term, surely you mean " repressed stress " or " repressed emotions " generally. The word " repressesd " is accepted in this context. The word " recessed " does not convey the true meaning of the emotions involved because something that is recessed is still visible (as in a 'recess') whereas something that is repressed is not visible. Do you see what I am getting at ? Another thing you should do is run your written material through a spell checker before you pass it on to the susceptible of emotionally dependable. A spelling mistake can generate lack of confidence in your audience and is something a professional worker in the field you are talking about just cannot afford to do ! Sammy. twomtns2002 <twomtns2002 [twomtns2002] 30 January 2003 16:44 Chinese Traditional Medicine [Chinese Traditional Medicine] Forbidden points/child molesting There are forbidden points as we all know. Some are forbidden to bleed, others forbidden to sedate. In the case of child molestation some forbidden points seem to be used without real knowledge of the effect by the molester. In the case of child molestation and other abuse, there would seem to be a need to readjust the area that has been affected by touching the forbidden point. Treatment may involve triggering a psycosematic or involuntary response linked to the recessed stress that may cause a disease of another type.(usually liver problems) This hidden or delayed stress is dangerous and may involve a retouch near the forbidden area to trigger the response. Also treating heart envelope 1-moxa, conception 1-stimulate, and the coressponding ear points to the affected area might help. This should be done by an experience senior healer, and other tools like a feather or cuddly stuffed toy can be used in the case of smaller children in place of needles. This may actually be more of a hand technique. Post message: Chinese Traditional Medicine Subscribe: Chinese Traditional Medicine- Un: Chinese Traditional Medicine- List owner: Chinese Traditional Medicine-owner Shortcut URL to this page: /community/Chinese Traditional Medicine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2003 Report Share Posted February 1, 2003 I work in shiatsu and other massage forms(and a current student of acupuncture)and also participated in cathartic therapies many years ago. I would agree with Sammy on this, the initial therapy in such cases should be psychological, could even involve body work, but in a psychotherapeutic context, also because normally the expectation of the client and his family(not to mention society in general) is that acupuncture is basically a physical therapy, and not something that you treat traumas with. It could be used alongside the principal therapy, the acupuncturist working together with the psychotherapist, doctor, etc... Marcos >The touching technique you propose goes beyond this I believe. >It is extremely powerful and will release repressed energy and >emotion. Please correct me if I am mistaken. I have seen such >techniques used in Reichian therapy and they can be quite >explosive. I 'works' BUT you need a very competant tharapist to >manage this type of treatment, less the patient harm himself or >others should the therapist lose their grip on the situation. >Sincerely, >Sammy. >> >>Hoang Ho [twomtns2002] >>31 January 2003 21:09 >>Chinese Traditional Medicine >>RE: [Chinese Traditional Medicine] Forbidden points/child molesting >>This is a sounding board, I am open to criticism and comment. >>We all learn >>from our mistakes. When I said recessed I meant the meaning in >>Webster's #2 >>'a hidden secret or place'. I believe that in the case of >>molestation, this >>mental place is what does the damage. Semantics can be >>confusing, but I hope >>you get the idea. Hoang Ho >>>ga.bates wrote:Sounds like dangerous territory ! >>>You would need full consent by all adults and guardians and >>>social workers >>>involved. I don't know how you would do this without being >>>dragged into the >>>'abuser scenario' yourself... >>>Before you embark on any procedure such as the one(s) you >>>propose you also >>>need to get your written and spoken language standard to an >>>acceptable level >>>so that people can be sure you know exactly what you mean, and >>>that you are >>>capable of transmitting your knowledge and expertise without >>>ambiguity. >>>For example, you mention " recessed stress " - this is an >>>unfamiliar term, >>>surely you mean " repressed stress " or " repressed emotions " >>>generally. The >>>word " repressesd " is accepted in this context. The >>>word " recessed " does not >>>convey the true meaning of the emotions involved because >>>something that is >>>recessed is still visible (as in a 'recess') whereas something >>>that is >>>repressed is not visible. Do you see what I am getting at ?.. >>>Another thing you should do is run your written material >>>through a spell >>>checker before you pass it on to the susceptible of >>>emotionally dependable. >>>A spelling mistake can generate lack of confidence in your >>>audience and is >>>something a professional worker in the field you are talking >>>about just >>>cannot afford to do ! >>>Sammy. twomtns2002 <twomtns2002 [twomtns2002] 30 January 2003 16:44 Chinese Traditional Medicine [Chinese Traditional Medicine] Forbidden points/child molesting _____________________ Busca O serviço de busca mais completo da Internet. O que você pensar o encontra. http://br.busca./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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