Guest guest Posted January 13, 2003 Report Share Posted January 13, 2003 Hello all I received this inquiry from someone. Although I do not focus on TCM I do respect its potential. I would appreciate your advice as to how I might best advise this person (i.e., what kind of specialist might I refer her to) or any other comments you have thanks christine from the client: .... " I'm having all the symptoms of hypothyroidism including; acne (1st time ever), dry eyes, fatigue, joint and muscle aches, weight gain (I'm very healthy), low sex drive, nails are brittle and peeling horizontal, hair is receding, both short term memory and concentration really awful, feel like I've aged 20 years in 6 months, my feet are icecubes, my hands are swollen, and all of this is what I think is making me depressed and irritable. All my thryoid tests come back normal, my doctor wants me to go on prozac and I'm just trying to be more proeactive about my situation than taking antidepressants. I don't think all my physical symptoms are due to depression although I'm not a doctor... " *** Christine Okon www.ChristineOkon.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2003 Report Share Posted January 13, 2003 Christine Okon <okonc wrote:Hello all I received this inquiry from someone. Although I do not focus on TCM I do respect its potential. I would appreciate your advice as to how I might best advise this person (i.e., what kind of specialist might I refer her to) or any other comments you have thanks christine from the client: .... " I'm having all the symptoms of hypothyroidism including; acne (1st time ever), dry eyes, fatigue, joint and muscle aches, weight gain (I'm very healthy), low sex drive, nails are brittle and peeling horizontal, hair is receding, both short term memory and concentration really awful, feel like I've aged 20 years in 6 months, my feet are icecubes, my hands are swollen, and all of this is what I think is making me depressed and irritable. All my thryoid tests come back normal, my doctor wants me to go on prozac and I'm just trying to be more proeactive about my situation than taking antidepressants. I don't think all my physical symptoms are due to depression although I'm not a doctor... " *** Christine Okon www.ChristineOkon.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2003 Report Share Posted January 14, 2003 Chinese Traditional Medicine , Christine Okon <okonc@p...> wrote: > from the client: > > ... " I'm having all the symptoms of hypothyroidism including; acne (1st time ever), dry eyes, fatigue, joint and muscle aches, weight gain (I'm very healthy), low sex drive, nails are brittle and peeling horizontal, hair is receding, both short term memory and concentration really awful, feel like I've aged 20 years in 6 months, my feet are icecubes, my hands are swollen, and all of this is what I think is making me depressed and irritable. > > All my thryoid tests come back normal, my doctor wants me to go on prozac and I'm just trying to be more proeactive about my situation than taking antidepressants. I don't think all my physical symptoms are due to depression although I'm not a doctor... " Go to the message base and look up the posts on Kidney Yang Deficiency and Kidney Yin Deficiency. I believe the most comprehensive posts may be at the beginning. No one can analyze via email or without seeing a client, but see if any of the symptoms of Kidney Yang and Yin Deficiency ring any bells. If so, consider a doctor of oriental medicine, a TCM herbalist, and/or an acupuncturist well versed in moxa. Most of the symptoms above are those of Kidney Yang Deficiency. And, whenever Kidney Yang is Deficient, Kidney Yin is almost certain to be also, though in lesser degree. The Kidneys supply the Yang and Yin to the rest of the body. If Kidney Yin is Deficient, chances are Liver Yin will be Deficient eventually, thus paving the way for Liver Yang Rising and the dry eyes. There may or may not also be some Gall Bladder imbalance (the nail problems, though Liver imbalance can account for those too). Some other correspondence: Irritability, suspect and rule in or out Liver imbalance. Kidney Yin Deficiency can lower the pain threshold. Read the posts on Kidney Yang and Yin Deficiency and let us know what you think and your client thinks. BTW, have had this particular problem. I *was* hypothyroid. But, after being on thyroid replacement and the blood levels coming up to the normal range, I still had the symptoms. They had been blunted a little, but were still bad. When my problem was identified by a TCM herbalist doing a TCM diagnosis and I was placed on herbal teas which were correct for me, the problems eased. A lot of them disappeared eventually. It can take a long time to treat Kidney Yang Deficiency, though there should be some improvement within 3 weeks. Other things will gradually improve. But the Kidney Yin Deficiency also needs to be treated, otherwise, the symptoms of Kidney Yin Deficiency will start predominating if just the Kidney Yang is addressed. Provided this is the problem. Victoria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2003 Report Share Posted January 15, 2003 First of all, you need to realize that blood tests and values and always changing. There is a clinical value and a healthy value, the clinical value changes according to the population base. What was abnormal a few years ago and would have been treated, now may appear as normal due to the value change and therefore is left untreated, so the population gets sicker before it shows up. If the population was getting healthier than the changes might be ok, but the fact is the population is getting sicker with more disease. The healthy thyroid values I use are the following to measure the markers: TSH < 5 T4 7.10 - 9.00 T3 35.10 - 40.0 T7 2.61 - 3.60 Also you need to know that T3 is the active portion and if you've been on synthroid its only T4 in which only 50-80 percent is absorbed into the body. If T4 is not absorbed or your body is unalbe to convert because of other factors you will not benefit from it as much. Armour thyroid is a combination of T3 and T4. There are other tests to do such as the basal metabolic rate measuring your temperature. Hope this helps: Sincerely, Brian N Hardy, DC, LAc, CCN " victoria_dragon <victoria_dragon " <victoria_dragon wrote:Chinese Traditional Medicine , Christine Okon <okonc@p...> wrote: > from the client: > > ... " I'm having all the symptoms of hypothyroidism including; acne (1st time ever), dry eyes, fatigue, joint and muscle aches, weight gain (I'm very healthy), low sex drive, nails are brittle and peeling horizontal, hair is receding, both short term memory and concentration really awful, feel like I've aged 20 years in 6 months, my feet are icecubes, my hands are swollen, and all of this is what I think is making me depressed and irritable. > > All my thryoid tests come back normal, my doctor wants me to go on prozac and I'm just trying to be more proeactive about my situation than taking antidepressants. I don't think all my physical symptoms are due to depression although I'm not a doctor... " Go to the message base and look up the posts on Kidney Yang Deficiency and Kidney Yin Deficiency. I believe the most comprehensive posts may be at the beginning. No one can analyze via email or without seeing a client, but see if any of the symptoms of Kidney Yang and Yin Deficiency ring any bells. If so, consider a doctor of oriental medicine, a TCM herbalist, and/or an acupuncturist well versed in moxa. Most of the symptoms above are those of Kidney Yang Deficiency. And, whenever Kidney Yang is Deficient, Kidney Yin is almost certain to be also, though in lesser degree. The Kidneys supply the Yang and Yin to the rest of the body. If Kidney Yin is Deficient, chances are Liver Yin will be Deficient eventually, thus paving the way for Liver Yang Rising and the dry eyes. There may or may not also be some Gall Bladder imbalance (the nail problems, though Liver imbalance can account for those too). Some other correspondence: Irritability, suspect and rule in or out Liver imbalance. Kidney Yin Deficiency can lower the pain threshold. Read the posts on Kidney Yang and Yin Deficiency and let us know what you think and your client thinks. BTW, have had this particular problem. I *was* hypothyroid. But, after being on thyroid replacement and the blood levels coming up to the normal range, I still had the symptoms. They had been blunted a little, but were still bad. When my problem was identified by a TCM herbalist doing a TCM diagnosis and I was placed on herbal teas which were correct for me, the problems eased. A lot of them disappeared eventually. It can take a long time to treat Kidney Yang Deficiency, though there should be some improvement within 3 weeks. Other things will gradually improve. But the Kidney Yin Deficiency also needs to be treated, otherwise, the symptoms of Kidney Yin Deficiency will start predominating if just the Kidney Yang is addressed. Provided this is the problem. Victoria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2003 Report Share Posted January 16, 2003 Chinese Traditional Medicine , Brian Hardy <mischievous00> wrote: > > Also you need to know that T3 is the active portion and if you've been on synthroid its only T4 in which only 50-80 percent is absorbed into the body. If T4 is not absorbed or your body is unalbe to convert because of other factors you will not benefit from it as much. Armour thyroid is a combination of T3 and T4. Thanks, Brian. I was on Armour thyroid the last time. In years past on synthoid. The results were the same in both cases. A little improvement, but not much. My thyroid problems come and go. They are related to bouts of mononucleosis and mono-like illnesses. One time I was hyperthyroid, all the other times have been hypo. Victoria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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