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Hello all

I received this inquiry from someone. Although I do not focus on TCM I do

respect its potential.

 

I would appreciate your advice as to how I might best advise this person (i.e.,

what kind of specialist might I refer her to) or any other comments you have

thanks

 

christine

 

 

from the client:

 

.... " I'm having all the symptoms of hypothyroidism including; acne (1st time

ever), dry eyes, fatigue, joint and muscle aches, weight gain (I'm very

healthy), low sex drive, nails are brittle and peeling horizontal, hair is

receding, both short term memory and concentration really awful, feel like I've

aged 20 years in 6 months, my feet are icecubes, my hands are swollen, and all

of this is what I think is making me depressed and irritable.

 

All my thryoid tests come back normal, my doctor wants me to go on prozac and

I'm just trying to be more proeactive about my situation than taking

antidepressants. I don't think all my physical symptoms are due to depression

although I'm not a doctor... "

 

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Christine Okon

www.ChristineOkon.com

 

 

 

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Christine Okon <okonc wrote:Hello all

I received this inquiry from someone. Although I do not focus on TCM I do

respect its potential.

 

I would appreciate your advice as to how I might best advise this person (i.e.,

what kind of specialist might I refer her to) or any other comments you have

thanks

 

christine

 

 

from the client:

 

.... " I'm having all the symptoms of hypothyroidism including; acne (1st time

ever), dry eyes, fatigue, joint and muscle aches, weight gain (I'm very

healthy), low sex drive, nails are brittle and peeling horizontal, hair is

receding, both short term memory and concentration really awful, feel like I've

aged 20 years in 6 months, my feet are icecubes, my hands are swollen, and all

of this is what I think is making me depressed and irritable.

 

All my thryoid tests come back normal, my doctor wants me to go on prozac and

I'm just trying to be more proeactive about my situation than taking

antidepressants. I don't think all my physical symptoms are due to depression

although I'm not a doctor... "

 

***

 

 

 

 

Christine Okon

www.ChristineOkon.com

 

 

 

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Chinese Traditional Medicine , Christine Okon <okonc@p...>

wrote:

> from the client:

>

> ... " I'm having all the symptoms of hypothyroidism including; acne

(1st time ever), dry eyes, fatigue, joint and muscle aches, weight

gain (I'm very healthy), low sex drive, nails are brittle and peeling

horizontal, hair is receding, both short term memory and

concentration really awful, feel like I've aged 20 years in 6 months,

my feet are icecubes, my hands are swollen, and all of this is what I

think is making me depressed and irritable.

>

> All my thryoid tests come back normal, my doctor wants me to go on

prozac and I'm just trying to be more proeactive about my situation

than taking antidepressants. I don't think all my physical symptoms

are due to depression although I'm not a doctor... "

 

Go to the message base and look up the posts on Kidney Yang

Deficiency and Kidney Yin Deficiency. I believe the most

comprehensive posts may be at the beginning.

 

No one can analyze via email or without seeing a client, but see if

any of the symptoms of Kidney Yang and Yin Deficiency ring any

bells. If so, consider a doctor of oriental medicine, a TCM

herbalist, and/or an acupuncturist well versed in moxa.

 

Most of the symptoms above are those of Kidney Yang Deficiency. And,

whenever Kidney Yang is Deficient, Kidney Yin is almost certain to be

also, though in lesser degree. The Kidneys supply the Yang and Yin

to the rest of the body. If Kidney Yin is Deficient, chances are

Liver Yin will be Deficient eventually, thus paving the way for Liver

Yang Rising and the dry eyes. There may or may not also be some Gall

Bladder imbalance (the nail problems, though Liver imbalance can

account for those too).

 

Some other correspondence: Irritability, suspect and rule in or out

Liver imbalance. Kidney Yin Deficiency can lower the pain threshold.

 

Read the posts on Kidney Yang and Yin Deficiency and let us know what

you think and your client thinks.

 

BTW, have had this particular problem. I *was* hypothyroid. But,

after being on thyroid replacement and the blood levels coming up to

the normal range, I still had the symptoms. They had been blunted a

little, but were still bad. When my problem was identified by a TCM

herbalist doing a TCM diagnosis and I was placed on herbal teas which

were correct for me, the problems eased. A lot of them disappeared

eventually.

 

It can take a long time to treat Kidney Yang Deficiency, though there

should be some improvement within 3 weeks. Other things will

gradually improve. But the Kidney Yin Deficiency also needs to be

treated, otherwise, the symptoms of Kidney Yin Deficiency will start

predominating if just the Kidney Yang is addressed. Provided this is

the problem.

 

Victoria

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First of all, you need to realize that blood tests and values and always

changing. There is a clinical value and a healthy value, the clinical value

changes according to the population base. What was abnormal a few years ago and

would have been treated, now may appear as normal due to the value change and

therefore is left untreated, so the population gets sicker before it shows up.

If the population was getting healthier than the changes might be ok, but the

fact is the population is getting sicker with more disease. The healthy thyroid

values I use are the following to measure the markers:

TSH < 5

T4 7.10 - 9.00

T3 35.10 - 40.0

T7 2.61 - 3.60

Also you need to know that T3 is the active portion and if you've been on

synthroid its only T4 in which only 50-80 percent is absorbed into the body. If

T4 is not absorbed or your body is unalbe to convert because of other factors

you will not benefit from it as much. Armour thyroid is a combination of T3 and

T4. There are other tests to do such as the basal metabolic rate measuring your

temperature.

Hope this helps:

Sincerely,

Brian N Hardy, DC, LAc, CCN

 

 

 

 

" victoria_dragon <victoria_dragon " <victoria_dragon

wrote:Chinese Traditional Medicine , Christine Okon <okonc@p...>

wrote:

> from the client:

>

> ... " I'm having all the symptoms of hypothyroidism including; acne

(1st time ever), dry eyes, fatigue, joint and muscle aches, weight

gain (I'm very healthy), low sex drive, nails are brittle and peeling

horizontal, hair is receding, both short term memory and

concentration really awful, feel like I've aged 20 years in 6 months,

my feet are icecubes, my hands are swollen, and all of this is what I

think is making me depressed and irritable.

>

> All my thryoid tests come back normal, my doctor wants me to go on

prozac and I'm just trying to be more proeactive about my situation

than taking antidepressants. I don't think all my physical symptoms

are due to depression although I'm not a doctor... "

 

Go to the message base and look up the posts on Kidney Yang

Deficiency and Kidney Yin Deficiency. I believe the most

comprehensive posts may be at the beginning.

 

No one can analyze via email or without seeing a client, but see if

any of the symptoms of Kidney Yang and Yin Deficiency ring any

bells. If so, consider a doctor of oriental medicine, a TCM

herbalist, and/or an acupuncturist well versed in moxa.

 

Most of the symptoms above are those of Kidney Yang Deficiency. And,

whenever Kidney Yang is Deficient, Kidney Yin is almost certain to be

also, though in lesser degree. The Kidneys supply the Yang and Yin

to the rest of the body. If Kidney Yin is Deficient, chances are

Liver Yin will be Deficient eventually, thus paving the way for Liver

Yang Rising and the dry eyes. There may or may not also be some Gall

Bladder imbalance (the nail problems, though Liver imbalance can

account for those too).

 

Some other correspondence: Irritability, suspect and rule in or out

Liver imbalance. Kidney Yin Deficiency can lower the pain threshold.

 

Read the posts on Kidney Yang and Yin Deficiency and let us know what

you think and your client thinks.

 

BTW, have had this particular problem. I *was* hypothyroid. But,

after being on thyroid replacement and the blood levels coming up to

the normal range, I still had the symptoms. They had been blunted a

little, but were still bad. When my problem was identified by a TCM

herbalist doing a TCM diagnosis and I was placed on herbal teas which

were correct for me, the problems eased. A lot of them disappeared

eventually.

 

It can take a long time to treat Kidney Yang Deficiency, though there

should be some improvement within 3 weeks. Other things will

gradually improve. But the Kidney Yin Deficiency also needs to be

treated, otherwise, the symptoms of Kidney Yin Deficiency will start

predominating if just the Kidney Yang is addressed. Provided this is

the problem.

 

Victoria

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Chinese Traditional Medicine , Brian Hardy

<mischievous00> wrote:

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> Also you need to know that T3 is the active portion and if you've

been on synthroid its only T4 in which only 50-80 percent is absorbed

into the body. If T4 is not absorbed or your body is unalbe to

convert because of other factors you will not benefit from it as

much. Armour thyroid is a combination of T3 and T4.

 

Thanks, Brian.

 

I was on Armour thyroid the last time. In years past on synthoid.

The results were the same in both cases. A little improvement, but

not much.

 

My thyroid problems come and go. They are related to bouts of

mononucleosis and mono-like illnesses. One time I was hyperthyroid,

all the other times have been hypo.

 

Victoria

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