Vasal Vagal(sp?)

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I have been reading this forum for awhile but this is the first

message I have posted. Hopefully someone can help me. My daughter is

16 years old. She has had recent fainting episodes. The last one

occurred after she slipped down a stair way. When I got to her she

was okay and said she had hurt her back slightly. i got her stood up

and while I was talking to her the just passed out. I caught her and

laid her down and in 3-5 second she came to and was a little dizzy

but other wise fine. She has had the episodes in the past and the

western medicine doctor diagnosed her as having Vasal Vagal. He

recommended her drinking lots of water and taking lots of salt. She

is 5-7 120lbs and in good shape. Stress seems to be a trigger to

cause these spells. Does TCM have any sort of explanation or remedy

for this type of condition? I am especially worried because she is

going to start driving shortly and I would hate for her to pass out

behind the wheel. I currently see an acupunturist for treatment on an

intestinal disorder and diabetes, I will ask her next time what she

recommends but I figured I would post the scenario here, also. Thanks

for any help and happy holidays to all.

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I've seen vaso-vagal patients. It'll look like one of a few things

according to traditional Chinese medicine. Essentially you'll want to

think in terms of internal wind, wind-phlegm or more likely Spleen Qi

not Lifting, maybe blood deficiency.

 

The vaso-vagal reaction is a response of the tenth cranial nerve (the

so-called " vagus " nerve) that causes a sudden drop in blood pressure and

all of the other symptoms such as fainting. The " vaso " part of the term

points to the issue of the vascular system or the arteries playing a

part in this all in that they dilate and cause the blood pressure to

drop.

 

This is commonly found under the guise of what acupuncturists call

" needle shock " where a patient faints for no reason during an

acupuncture treatment. Here's a little more on needle shock:

 

http://gancao.net/phpreactor/htdocs/forums/browse.php?fid=47 & tid=88 & go=Needle+Sh\

ock

 

Treating it shouldn't be too much of a problem. My suspecian is that

hers may take a while to fix as you mentioned that she's having

digestive issues. I'm going to guess that she has a spleen qi deficiency

in which case these attacks of sudden drop of blood pressure will likely

look like Spleen Qi not Lifting when the acupuncturist looks at it.

either that, or a blood defiency. Just about any cause for dizziness is

a possible culpret for a vaso vagal reaction.

 

Herbally, you can look for some " Bu Zhong Yi Qi Tang " if the spleen qi

deficiency is the problem.

 

-al.

 

" coq1003609 " wrote:

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> I have been reading this forum for awhile but this is the first

> message I have posted. Hopefully someone can help me. My daughter is

> 16 years old. She has had recent fainting episodes. The last one

> occurred after she slipped down a stair way. When I got to her she

> was okay and said she had hurt her back slightly. i got her stood up

> and while I was talking to her the just passed out. I caught her and

> laid her down and in 3-5 second she came to and was a little dizzy

> but other wise fine. She has had the episodes in the past and the

> western medicine doctor diagnosed her as having Vasal Vagal. He

> recommended her drinking lots of water and taking lots of salt. She

> is 5-7 120lbs and in good shape. Stress seems to be a trigger to

> cause these spells. Does TCM have any sort of explanation or remedy

> for this type of condition? I am especially worried because she is

> going to start driving shortly and I would hate for her to pass out

> behind the wheel. I currently see an acupunturist for treatment on an

> intestinal disorder and diabetes, I will ask her next time what she

> recommends but I figured I would post the scenario here, also. Thanks

> for any help and happy holidays to all.

>

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On a 'normal' front I would check out her blood sugar levels too - such a

reaction could be connected to reactive hypoglycemia, epecially if it happens

a couple of hours after eating sugary or starchy foods.

 

Jackie