Ice on Injuries! was: Assistance reviewing correspondences

[Guest guest]

--- victoria_dragon <victoria_dragon

wrote:

 

> One I use a lot is to compare the effects of cold on

> a stream or

> river to the effects of cold on bodies. The colder

> the river gets,

> the more sluggish it becomes and the more it slows

> down.

 

Which brings to mind all the professional athletes

and sports players who regularly end up with " chronic

injuries " at a young age and must retire...really,

these injuries are cold type bi syndromes - an

" arthritis " . All induced by 2 things:

 

1. the use of ice on sprains, breaks, bruises, pulls,

everything, indiscriminately.

2. the quick " recovery " time which this very strong

cold facter seems to give. Which just means you're out

there doing things you shouldn't be doing with your

injured body part much faster than you should.

 

It is very important to differentiate between a hot

and cold injury, the underlying terrain (i.e. hot

injury on a deficient body), and the strength of the

treatment.

 

Strong treatments should be used cautiously and

rather infrequently.

 

Ice is very very cold, and such be used infrequently

or not at all. Improving blood circulation by intense

or gentle massage, cooling via a cool aromatic (bo he)

or a cooling liquid (aloe) all work better than ice,

in the long or short run.

What they won't give is a symptom/sign-mask. i.e.

swelling goes down before tissue has healed.

In other words, if you're hurt bad enough to have a

swollen ankle, you should probably stay off it for

quite a while, and not be in a hurry. Proper

rehabilitation and treatment of these complicated and

robust yet delicate joints is very important.

 

See you,

Hugo

 

 

 

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In one of the Anatomy Physiology courses I took at shiatsu school a

fellow student was a chi gung master who'd been studying chi gung a

couple decades and ran her own school for it here in Chicago.

 

When the AP teacher got on the subject of " RICE " , the chi gong

master/fellow AP student shared with us that her chi gung teachers had

always told her never to ice injuries. She had been told it would make

the tissue remember the injury. She went on to say that various

liniments could be used if treatment of cold or heat was indicated.

 

Someone else in class interjected with something about of course there

was no protocol with ice because they didn't have ready access to ice

for at least half the year when the Taoist masters were thinking this

all out in ancient times.

<sigh>

 

Penel

who never ever drinks anything cold (even beer is drunk at room

temperature) let alone with ice in it but does fall hopelessly off the

wagon when it comes to her husband's home made gelato

[Guest guest]

> Ice is very very cold, and such be used infrequently

> or not at all. Improving blood circulation by intense

> or gentle massage, cooling via a cool aromatic (bo he)

> or a cooling liquid (aloe) all work better than ice,

> in the long or short run.

 

Could ice be used as a " cold " stimulant in a similar manner to the

way that moxa is used as a " hot " stimulant? I'm probably being

foolish, but I am rather curious.

 

Mbanu

[Guest guest]

--- walmart_hurts <jcc wrote:

> Could ice be used as a " cold " stimulant in a similar

> manner to the

> way that moxa is used as a " hot " stimulant? I'm

> probably being

> foolish, but I am rather curious.

 

I think it all comes down to differentiation and then

the method of application. Don't use heat on someone

who will gt burned easily. Don't use cold on someone

who will freeze easily. My recommendation if one wants

to use ice on a omeone w/ a hot constitution: one

should run it along the application site, along the

affected meridian in desired direction of flow, rather

than as a static application. And stay away from bone.

 

Some people alternate hot and cold compresses to

" pump " blood, I've never tried it.

What has always worked well in my experience are the

traditional methods of applying heating or cooling

methods, blood moving methods and tissue regeneration

methods - even though it sometimes means that an

injury _is_ going to " interfere " with our lives by

keeping us from some sort of activity, or making us

wait. Sometimes you just have to suck it up, you know

what I mean?

 

There's a school of thought that advises avoiding the

use of cold herbs whenever possible, in order to

protect the kidneys. It advises the use of alternative

methods to bring heat and fire under control, i.e.

acupuncture (which happens to be an effective remedy

for heat and fire syndromes). This sort of method is

less convenient in some ways, it takes mroe effort

certainly, but the end results, over the long term,

are said to be superior.

 

Bye for now,

Hugo

 

 

 

 

 

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