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>Because TCM says just " damp " , not ALL carbs,

 

BTW: I apologize for not saying the above in response

to your first post, Hugo, maybe that would have made it

clearer.

 

I've gone ahead and changed the subject heading since

it is no longer about CFS and Gluten sensitivity.

 

Kit

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--- Kit <kitcurtin wrote: > >Because

TCM says just " damp " , not ALL carbs,

>

> BTW: I apologize for not saying the above in

> response

> to your first post, Hugo, maybe that would have made

> it

> clearer.

 

I see, I'm clearer on what you're saying now.

 

Hugo

 

 

 

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--- Hugo Ramiro <subincor wrote: > ---

Kit <kitcurtin wrote: > >Because

> TCM says just " damp " , not ALL carbs,

 

Ok, I read your other post, and I still don't get how

" all carbs " would not or could not fall under " damp " .

 

Bye

Hugo

 

 

 

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It may be happening now esp. with western TCM practitioners

but per theory I've never seen it said don't eat rice and congee

is high on the recommended list.

 

 

Is this horse dead, yet?! ;-) ;-DKit

 

 

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> " all carbs " would not or could not fall under " damp " .

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In a message dated 11/4/02 7:58:42 PM Eastern Standard Time, subincor writes:

 

White rice is dampness engendering. Brown rice is as

well, just not as much as white. All carbohydrates,

because they are sweet, engender dampness. Grains,

furthermore, because they _must_ be cooked prior to

consumption, are also suspect re their digestibility.

 

 

Hugo,

One comment, I was not aware of the above, but do know that Yi Yi Ren is a grain but, leaches out dampness.

I was not following the whole thread so maybe I missed something.

 

Stan

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--- Kit <kitcurtin wrote:

> It may be happening now esp. with western TCM

> practitioners

> but per theory I've never seen it said don't eat

> rice and congee

> is high on the recommended list.

 

> Is this horse dead, yet?! ;-) ;-DKit

 

Ok, Kit, I don't know what the winks mean, but I am

_trying_ to understand your point of view and you seem

to be snide about the topic.

White rice is dampness engendering. Brown rice is as

well, just not as much as white. All carbohydrates,

because they are sweet, engender dampness. Grains,

furthermore, because they _must_ be cooked prior to

consumption, are also suspect re their digestibility.

 

CM theory backs up my statements clearly. I am asking

you to back up yours.

 

See you,

Hugo

 

 

 

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--- KarateStan wrote:

 

> > White rice is dampness engendering. Brown rice is

> as

> > well, just not as much as white. All

> carbohydrates,

> > because they are sweet, engender dampness. Grains,

> > furthermore, because they _must_ be cooked prior

> to

> > consumption, are also suspect re their

> digestibility.

 

> Hugo,

> One comment, I was not aware of the above, but do

> know that Yi Yi Ren is a

> grain but, leaches out dampness.

 

Sure, I'm not saying that grains are not good for

digestion or don't have many beneficial fucntions;

they do. However, in extreme cases of weakness, we

should b very careful of what we eat. Grains are

inherently hard to digest - if you're interested in

the modern science viewpoint, a search on " lectins "

may bring up relevant information on one portion of

the problem.

 

Again, anything sweet engenders dampness / generates

fluids. Highly sweet things engender dampness

strongly. Mildly sweet things engender it mildly.

Sometimes something is sweet and also promotes

diuresis - remember that sweetness also tonifies the

spleen and therefore its ability to regulate water,

although the prime way that sweetness tonifies the

spleen is via the function of providing nutrition to

the muscles/flesh rather than by drying the spleen or

increasing the digestive fire.

 

So, for your example, yiyiren is bland (equals very

mildly sweet) and _cool_ in energy. Therefore it is

not indicated for anyone with a weak Sp, eg chronic

fatigue etc, even though they may need to have

dampness leeched out.

 

One more point - the continuum of an organs' function

(i.e. hyper all the way to hypo) is not smooth. this

means that at either extreme, the malfunctioning organ

shows signs of " seizing up " or " locking " - stuff that

we could characterise as " reversions " of yin into

yang, or yang into yin.

Therefore people who have a very weak spleen and

dampness accumulation, when given a bland (mildly

sweet) food or herb, will have a serious reaction,

rather than experience a mild weakening, which we

might think would be more proportional to the flavour

and energy of the food.

 

Does that make sense?

 

Bye for now,

Hugo

 

 

 

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